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Aug 25, 2016 21:48 |  #136

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buy a full frame camera, and then have 1.7 crop for video, yeah, most of the discontent seems to be with video. I'm sure the 1.7 crop is still very good for video, it's just the loss of framing if you're using ultrawides, you never get that back. I know with the sony, crop mode is actually a tad better than full frame since it's full readout. Both indistinguishable in my eyes EXCEPT for FOV, which may be huge.

I am most likely wrong, but isn't the 1DX2 able to do 4K without any crop? If it is Canon must be like "if you want full 4K in a DSLR get a 1DX2 or a C300".


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Aug 25, 2016 21:54 |  #137

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I am most likely wrong, but isn't the 1DX2 able to do 4K without any crop? If it is Canon must be like "if you want full 4K in a DSLR get a 1DX2 or a C300".

It's a 1.14 crop or something like that very mild BUT it's only a 20mp sensor too and that camera has dual processors to handle the downsampling or whatever you call it plus has better heat dissipation.


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Aug 25, 2016 21:57 |  #138

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Definitely want to know the DR and high ISO results. This would be a huge upgrade over my 7Dc

It will be light years ahead of the 7D Classic. Er, I guess it would only be 7 years ahead. :lol:

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Aug 25, 2016 21:59 |  #139

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It will be light years ahead of the 7D Classic. Er, I guess it would only be 7 years ahead. :lol:

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Well only 3 years ahead according to Sony/Nikon fanboys... you gotta deduct the fact the 5D4 is 4yr old tech.


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Aug 25, 2016 22:03 |  #140

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Ya but for me I'm not interested in 4K so 1080pis full frame no crop. Good for me. I want the 4K for the frame grab and for what I'll use it for will love the crop

you say that now.......

once you start shooting 4K, you'll quickly change your tune.


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Aug 25, 2016 22:05 |  #141

Dlee13 wrote in post #18106535 (external link)
I am most likely wrong, but isn't the 1DX2 able to do 4K without any crop? If it is Canon must be like "if you want full 4K in a DSLR get a 1DX2 or a C300".

technically, there's a natural crop even with full frame, due to video aspect ratio being different, but yes, that's true. Trying to protect the 1Dxii.


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Aug 25, 2016 22:09 |  #142

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you say that now.......

once you start shooting 4K, you'll quickly change your tune.

i finally have two tvs that are 4K my surface pro is 3k but my main pc is not. Need to upgrade that first and then my projector too. My machine I can't even edit 4K. No need right now maybe in two years but yes I will embrace it 100% when I do. Just need to do my computer first


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Aug 25, 2016 22:17 |  #143

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technically, there's a natural crop even with full frame, due to video aspect ratio being different, but yes, that's true. Trying to protect the 1Dxii.

I thought so. Makes sense to me too since it is primarily a stills camera. I can't wait to see reviews to see what the sensor has to offer.


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Aug 25, 2016 22:24 |  #144

Yes i think as a stills its looking awesome .

For video its ok if yourr doing a clip here and there but not really..

I go back and forth.. so that crop factor will bug me ..id have to change lenses constantly .. or step waaaaaay back.. and how will that effect the dof, then theres the huge files to deal with , an hour 4k at about 250 gigs ?!.. thats crazy... compar3 to sony or panasonic 4k

If 1080 video is all one is interested in then i guess it all works out..

But yeah seems like it will be an awesome stills camera


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Aug 25, 2016 22:24 |  #145

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I don't see mention of auto ISO in M either, but the 7D2 has it, as does the 1DX series. I hope so.

? I thought all cameras did auto ISO in M mode. My SL1 does...


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Aug 25, 2016 22:27 |  #146

I'm so disappointed it doesn't have spot exposure linked to the AF point!! I'd dearly love that feature and may go with the 1Dxii because of it, even though the cost is much higher, I don't need 14fps and would really love 30mpx rather than 20!


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Aug 25, 2016 22:58 |  #147

I want the 5DM4, but for me right now it makes no sense. I think it is an advanced camera, and would love to have it if I had the money, but I don't, and my 5DM3 remains an exceptional camera. My main photography "work" is as Chair for Photography & Media for our high school Band Boosters organization.

This is about tradeoffs. Nearly 4 years ago I got my 5DM3. Since getting it I've taken nearly 70K photos with it, high school sports and marching band mostly. (Fwiw, I never use continuous shooting.) There's some fashion photography in there, as well as various other genres. Much of what I shoot is action, low light situations. I shoot much at ISO 12800 and higher. Between the 5dM3 (and the RØDE Shotgun mic and DeadCat®) and the G16, I can shoot needed band videos at 1080p.

The 5DM4 does 4K video, which would be a plus, especially for making training videos, allowing me to crop the video in post and keep high resolution. I'll do 5 videos this season. After that, video is done as I typically don't do video. The M4 has native ISO to 32000; the M3 goes to 25600. Even allowing for lower noise with the Digic 6+ and improved sensor, I'm not getting much more for my money. Images are larger, and that means my 14TB system (yes, that's right, as I have multiple external drives) would need to be expanded.

One of my metrics for evaluating equipment is looking at what I want to do that I cannot with my current suite of equipment. I'm still pushing my 5DM3 and myself, and haven't reached limits where I've said, "My camera is limiting me. I need feature X to really get the photo I want."

I'm not a pro, though I aspire to be one or at least take the craft and art as a pro. I'm equally happy shooting with a Canon ELPH as I am the 5DM3. I've gotten some interesting action shots with my Elph 330. It's a fun little camera, and it challenges me to make the best with a limited camera.

Bottom line is that I'm one of those who would love the M4, but it doesn't make sense for me to get it right now.


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Aug 25, 2016 23:16 |  #148

Archibald wrote in post #18106604 (external link)
? I thought all cameras did auto ISO in M mode. My SL1 does...

I believe he may have meant exposure compensation when using auto ISO in manual mode


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Aug 25, 2016 23:38 |  #149

Talley wrote in post #18106543 (external link)
It's a 1.14 crop or something like that very mild BUT it's only a 20mp sensor too and that camera has dual processors to handle the downsampling or whatever you call it plus has better heat dissipation.

No, it is a 1.33-crop horizontally (5472 / 4096) and a 1.7-crop vertically (3648 / 2160), using the same pixel-level read out in the 5D Mark IV sensor. The crop is simply less severe than the 5D4's crop because of the lower density sensor.

The only real technological advantage of the 1DX Mark II over the 5D Mark IV in video mode (aside from the different crop due to the difference in sensor density) is the ability to do 4Kp60.




  
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Aug 25, 2016 23:38 |  #150

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I want the 5DM4, but for me right now it makes no sense. I think it is an advanced camera, and would love to have it if I had the money, but I don't, and my 5DM3 remains an exceptional camera. My main photography "work" is as Chair for Photography & Media for our high school Band Boosters organization.

This is about tradeoffs. Nearly 4 years ago I got my 5DM3. Since getting it I've taken nearly 70K photos with it, high school sports and marching band mostly. (Fwiw, I never use continuous shooting.) There's some fashion photography in there, as well as various other genres. Much of what I shoot is action, low light situations. I shoot much at ISO 12800 and higher. Between the 5dM3 (and the RØDE Shotgun mic and DeadCat®) and the G16, I can shoot needed band videos at 1080p.

The 5DM4 does 4K video, which would be a plus, especially for making training videos, allowing me to crop the video in post and keep high resolution. I'll do 5 videos this season. After that, video is done as I typically don't do video. The M4 has native ISO to 32000; the M3 goes to 25600. Even allowing for lower noise with the Digic 6+ and improved sensor, I'm not getting much more for my money. Images are larger, and that means my 14TB system (yes, that's right, as I have multiple external drives) would need to be expanded.

One of my metrics for evaluating equipment is looking at what I want to do that I cannot with my current suite of equipment. I'm still pushing my 5DM3 and myself, and haven't reached limits where I've said, "My camera is limiting me. I need feature X to really get the photo I want."

I'm not a pro, though I aspire to be one or at least take the craft and art as a pro. I'm equally happy shooting with a Canon ELPH as I am the 5DM3. I've gotten some interesting action shots with my Elph 330. It's a fun little camera, and it challenges me to make the best with a limited camera.

Bottom line is that I'm one of those who would love the M4, but it doesn't make sense for me to get it right now.

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