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Aug 26, 2016 09:24 |  #1

This happened about 3 years a go, I stopped in this museum because they had the giant red man's skull and I wanted to photograph it .
There are some people who don't believe Giants use to roam the face of earth and I wanted to send some of these pictures to a couple of friends ............
Which most likely wouldn't prove anything ....anyway .

It was about lunch time and I thought I would go in in advanced and ask permission and maybe set up a time that it would be best to bring in my camera and lighting to photograph this skull.

As I was walking to the front door there was also a lady walking in with me and she looked like she worked there .
I held the door open for her and said hi and introduced myself and asked if she worked there .

She said yes , so I asked if it was possible to photograph the famous giant red man's skull found in Love lock Nevada in 1911 or 1912 .
http://www.sydhav.no/g​iants/lovelock.htm (external link)

Last time I was in this museum they had the skull locked up in a locker and I had to ask to see it.
That was over twenty years ago..


The lady who didn't know I had already seen skull said just like she had been trained to say this
We don't have the skull and the skull has never been in this museum .

Wow , why would she say that when that wasn't true ?
At that point I asked who was the Curator and she said the ladies name and where she was in the building .
Which she wasn't and I got sent on a wild goose chase ...

Finally After going back down stairs and finding the employee talking with her boss in secret , the curators attention was on me .

As I walked into her office and was standing next to a locker that looked exactly like the one the skull was locked up in twenty some years earlier I introduced myself and said I was seeking permission to photograph the Giant Red man skull.

Right away it was the same exact line the employee had said to me , we don't have the skull and the skull had never been in this building !

Not really be accustom to have two people to just lie directly to my face , My response was ,
Lady I don't know why you are lying to me , but I was in this museum twenty some years ago and seen the giant red mans skull in person , and said it was in a locker just like the one I was standing next to, and then I leaned against the locker.

Holly cow, I thought this lady was going to crap her pants on the spot when I leaned up against the locker.
I cant help to think I was inches away from the skull.
And I repeated myself,may I please be able to photograph the skull.

It seemed there was a few moments that the curator was thinking .

Then she asked who I was and if I was from any certain group .
Dumb founded I said no.

She said she had the Giant red mans skull and it will never be seen or photographed in that museum .
She gave me the phone number to the state board of museums which they wouldn't ever returnmy calls .
And to the person of indian affairs in charge of the skull , which he ( Victor )didn't know he was in charge of and after him saying he had no issue with me photographing the skull and said he would call me back he never did .

The curator also informed me that the state ran county museum was private property and she could ask me to leave .

I left and that when I tried to call the state of Nevada museums and Victor of indian affairs .
I have never returned to that museum .......

Well it seems the remains of 50 giants bones have disappeared without a trace .




  
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Aug 26, 2016 09:43 |  #2

You 'almost'...I DID get kick out of a museum...along with everyone else in the Louvre in Paris!

I went to the Louvre early in the morning 3 decades ago, with my Olympus OM-1 over my shoulder. Went thru pretty much of the museum, then stopped to view and photograph Charlemagne's crown. Shortly thereafter a small bell started ringing constantly. Museum staff started to come thru each room/hall in the Louvre and asked people to exit. They emptied the place.

Walking to an adjacent site in Paris, it suddently dawned on me that I had rested the front of the lens against the glass case holding the crown, in order to eliminate reflections on the glass, then took photos while against the glass...did I trigger some vibration sensing device that was sensitivitive to tampering typical of a thief trying to gain entry to the case?!


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Aug 26, 2016 10:18 |  #3

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...I had rested the front of the lens against the glass case holding the crown, in order to eliminate reflections on the glass, then took photos while against the glass...did I trigger some vibration sensing device that was sensitivitive to tampering typical of a thief trying to gain entry to the case?!

Admit it! It wasn't a camera. It was a diamond-tipped glass-cutting tool cleverly disguised as a camera. It was only the hyper-vigilant Louvre security guards who prevented Charlemagne's crown from being displayed on your fireplace mantelpiece today.

Regarding the original post, I'm guessing that the museum staff thought they had in their presence another conspiracy theory aficionado and weren't amused. You have to ask yourself why anybody would want to hide an archeological reality.


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Aug 26, 2016 11:18 |  #4

Sorry, but I would have asked you to leave also. From your story, you sounded overly aggressive and felt entitled to photograph something that didnt belong to you. They probably lied just to attempt to avoid the scene you discribed and created.

You were going to bring your camera and lighting setup to a museum? com'on.




  
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Aug 26, 2016 11:32 |  #5

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Aug 26, 2016 14:00 as a reply to  @ kjonnnn's post |  #6

You might want to do a little research , seems I stepped in to something the museum doesn't want shown .

some info is on this video The RED man sku;; starts about 7 minutes into the video
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=6jx3vVSSfEs (external link)
It seems like I asked to photograph the skull a year or so after this Video was made.


Both ladies took it upon themselves to lie, I don't know the motive , but the first lie took place while opening the door for the employee and asking to photograph the skull.

I already knew they kept the skull in a locker, that's why I asked to see it because as far as I know it had never been on display , when the lady said it had never been in the building .before she got thru the door of the museum ?

I don't care for people lying to me and if they do I guess some people are going to call on it .
Taking photos in a museum is normal , And trying to do professional pictures of the skull was a request.

Personally I don't think there was any reason for either lady to lie me

These skulls is part of American history,




  
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Aug 26, 2016 14:19 |  #7

Why did you feel a need to post about something that happened 3 years ago and makes you look bad?


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Aug 26, 2016 14:39 |  #8

Great story. Off to Google.


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Aug 26, 2016 14:48 |  #9

they must've been part of the illuminati....


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Aug 26, 2016 15:51 |  #10

farmer1957 wrote in post #18107244 (external link)
Personally I don't think there was any reason for either lady to lie me

Maybe they damaged it? Maybe someone stole it? Maybe they discovered that it was a fake? I'm sure there's a good reason for the lies.




  
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Aug 26, 2016 19:08 |  #11

DreDaze wrote in post #18107280 (external link)
they must've been part of the illuminati....

My money is on the Templars. Or maybe Opus Dei.


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Aug 26, 2016 19:27 |  #12

DreDaze wrote in post #18107280 (external link)
they must've been part of the illuminati....

No, no, that's not us! :)


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Aug 26, 2016 20:33 |  #13

While taking photos in a museum is common, bringing your "camera and lighting" probably isn't.

Sorry, but you sound as if it was your right to see the skull (regardless of its origins), just because you know it exist and was granted permission before.

When you were granted permission before, it probably was under different management. Why lie to you? Because if they said they had it, but it wasn't for viewing, judging by the personality in your post, you would have began a tirade of "why cant I" questions. I'm sure they'd want to avoid that whether from you or anyone else. What they want you to see is displayed, what is not, is not.

If they had said, yes we have it, but we're not allowing you to see it or photograph it ... what would have done?




  
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Aug 26, 2016 22:11 |  #14

Yeah, well, blatant lying is bound to make even a saint mad, though he might choose to keep silent... or not.

Farmer1957, I think that, as mentioned by someone above, the management and the socio-political conditions have probably changed. What struck me as odd and kinda telling was the curator asking if you were 'with a group'. Not making any accusations, but I do strongly suspect that the skull might be a hot or taboo item at this point due to all the history revisionists, racial equality interest groups, and right crackpots of which we seem to have surplus nowadays. The museum doesn't want to get into any legal hot water over 'facilitating' exhibits to an individual or group that might use them for libel or to wage a socio-political campaign, or what have you.

They might have legitimate reasons for denying access to materials that are not in exhibition –probably the same reasons why those exhibits aren't on display in the first place; and yes, someone just coming out of the blue asking access to an important or controversial exhibit, AND taking photographs, would have sound quite iffy to me had I been the curator. A scholar from an institution or even **gasp** the media, I would have seen as better 'candidates' for access. I concede all that. Still, if I had been lied to my face, I woulda called it too: 'Heck, if you don't want to shew or grant access to something just say it outright, but don't lie'.


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Aug 26, 2016 22:13 |  #15

DreDaze wrote in post #18107280 (external link)
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