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Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

 
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Aug 29, 2016 09:18 |  #511

gjl711 wrote in post #18109271 (external link)
I sort of do the same. My work camera is a D800. Switched from Canon several years ago but my personal camera is all Canon. Too much invested in lenses to switch.

I've been out of the game a long time, enjoying my 5D3, and the last huge debate a few years ago was how envious we were of the d800 and their DR, and how the 5d3 still has all that read noise/banding, etc. Does anyone know how the 5d4 is supposed to be? I saw posts mentioning that it should be similar to the 1DX II, and that has been out for a little while. so if that is that case, what can we extrapolate for the DR of 5d4? I would love to be able to shoot into the sun with no fill flash and still be able to get some recoverability, like the Nikons.


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Aug 29, 2016 09:33 as a reply to  @ post 18108372 |  #512

I agree, never used the video on my mk3.
If I need video I use my phone and can upload straight to media.

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Aug 29, 2016 09:35 |  #513

ilumo wrote in post #18110117 (external link)
I've been out of the game a long time, enjoying my 5D3, and the last huge debate a few years ago was how envious we were of the d800 and their DR, and how the 5d3 still has all that read noise/banding, etc. Does anyone know how the 5d4 is supposed to be? I saw posts mentioning that it should be similar to the 1DX II, and that has been out for a little while. so if that is that case, what can we extrapolate for the DR of 5d4? I would love to be able to shoot into the sun with no fill flash and still be able to get some recoverability, like the Nikons.

I was going to post similar earlier! A few years ago people wouldn't shut up about the Nikon D800 and it's 36MP with supreme ability to +5 shadows, while the 5D3 was a gimpy crap camera :rolleyes: Well, 4 years later, I've seen so many amazing, tremendous photos from the 5D3... not sure what happened, because I thought everyone was using the much superior Nikon? Same thing in the present: I can't see anyone using the 5D4 when the Sony A7rII is available, Canon doesn't listen to anyone, 4 year old tech, video features video features video features video features videoasioope pioejieopwjweioj

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I've decided that a wide is a must buy for me, every wedding I've just been renting the 16-35, but I seriously need to upgrade my pc next. So renting the 16-35 will have to do for a little while longer.

I also have been noticing lately my 135l is clutching the key shots over my 70-200isii. Ugh. I could always sell the 70-200 but I love that lens for outdoor me time photos.

Just recently went through the 70-200 II debate myself; was debating b/w the 2.8 II and the f/4 IS + 135L. Kept the 2.8 after a couple of weeks, and after shooting an even this past weekend with it (and the 135L), firmly believe that both can have a role in a lineup. Was reminded just how stunning and versatile the venerable zoom is.




  
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Aug 29, 2016 09:36 |  #514

Norlight did a short analysis on a patent released by Canon regarding their new AF system in the 5DIV. (external link) It supposedly shows how they managed to get the AF points to be more spread out.


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Aug 29, 2016 10:08 |  #515

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I'm just waiting for Imaging Resource to post some RAWs; then I'll know the relevant numbers. The scene with the crayons and the black mug and napkins usually clips on the salt-shaker specular highlights, and the black borders on the left of the RAW give the read noise and black level.

Well, the program IRIS loads the left half of the image, and fortunately, clipped specular highlights and the left black masked border of the RAW, so I could measure the DR of an ISO 100 from Imaging-Resource. The "engineering" DR (max signal divided by black frame noise standard deviation) is about 12.63 stops at the pixel level, and 13.6 stops normalized to 8MP, like DxOMark's "Print" metric.

I'd need to see the black mug on the right side of the image to see practical banding, but there is a small amount in the black border on the left of the RAW.




  
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Aug 29, 2016 10:11 |  #516

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With what you describe, I think you are better served with the new 24-105 because of the IS capabilities on the lens. I also refuse to use a tripod unless im doing long exposure photography. To cumbersome.

The 24-70 is only a stop. Your 5D4is going to be usable at 12800 ISO and probably 25000 in a pinch...F4 glass means you can get shutter speeds up with this new sensor. I would buy a prime for shallow DOF needs and get F/4 zooms and save the $$$$......2-3 in a shot and your going to be at F/3.5 anyway to keep them all sharp even on the same plane.

Im using F4 zooms for zoom needs and my version 1 fast primes for everything else...Nothing I cant take or create.

Canon has killed it with the new sensors. Great upgrades for Canon shooters

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Personally, I always use a tripod on a group shot, particularly larger groups or groups with children. Several shots and some eye/head compositing in PS, easily done if the camera is on a tripod.


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Aug 29, 2016 10:52 |  #517

I'm curious how we all look forward to using the new 5D4... Please let us know. as I'm curious in which genre we all plan to use it.

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Aug 29, 2016 12:44 |  #518

Just communicated via FB with a shooter friend from this forum in UT. He shot my son's wedding 8 years ago and he's using 5DIII's and loving them. Not changing yet. He also bought the kit lens, 24-105, when he got those cameras and didn't use the lens much. I told him I usually shoot f2.8 with portraits and low light situations, little flash use. He is the same. Said he sold the kit lens after no using it for a little while. I would love to have the kit lens in my bag, but realistically, won't be using it much.

I shoot so many events for school, for church for friends, I cannot imagine not having the best camera out there for the work. My 5D2 has worked very hard the last 6+ years and I am sure I will get great pictures with the new camera.


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Aug 29, 2016 12:52 |  #519

I have had 2 70-200 2.8s and a few 24-105s over the years. I hardly ever used the f4L lenses as well. It was always the f2.8 lenses for me. The weight/size isn't much an issue for me, I have adapted. The 24-105 has its advantages, but for me, it would have been more a walk-around casual lens. For paid or important gigs, the f2.8L came out to play.


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Aug 29, 2016 13:03 |  #520

I just dropped my grandson off to his first day of pre-school, he is 3. I took my trusty 5D2 with 24-70. Inside, outside, in car, in school, in shade, in sun, the 24-70 is the best. I shoot in M mode and constantly moving the numbers around. I like to do that, but I think as a pro, conditions change so fast, have to use f2.8 in many situations. The f4 just doesn't do it without bumping up the ISO, and I know the 5D4 will be great for the low light, but I like to start at the lens.


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Aug 29, 2016 13:03 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #521

Enjoy 3 !

You can now use the comparison tool at Dpreview site :

for the raws : "*Raw images have been processed with an early beta build of Adobe Camera Raw. Image quality may not represent the final version of the plugin, but is likely to be close."

https://www.dpreview.c​om …014&y=-0.7608812466415906 (external link)


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Aug 29, 2016 13:05 |  #522

krikricricri wrote in post #18110340 (external link)
Enjoy 3 !

You can now use the comparison tool at Dpreview site :

https://www.dpreview.c​om …014&y=-0.7608812466415906 (external link)


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Aug 29, 2016 13:11 |  #523

I think everyone rushed over to play. The site is so slow right now. :) My first impressions is that it doesn't really look any different from the MkIII even as 12800.


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Aug 29, 2016 13:18 |  #524

gjl711 wrote in post #18110349 (external link)
I think everyone rushed over to play. The site is so slow right now. :) My first impressions is that it doesn't really look any different from the MkIII even as 12800.

I beg to differ!!!

YES!!!... Exactly as I was expecting and then some. Go do yourself a favor and hit the lightbulb mode and then do the comparison where it compresses the 30mp down to match the 5D3. Massive gains :).

https://www.dpreview.c​om …3061&y=0.892074​1831980874 (external link)


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Aug 29, 2016 13:19 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #525

Yes , I thought It was me and my slow connection in France , but as soon as I received the RSS alert , I went to Dpreview and It was down ... :p




  
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