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Aug 30, 2016 14:44 |  #631

laughed so hard I had to poop. when can the bickering end? Oh wait... when I have my 5D4 in my hands and I'm too busying making love to it than post bickering on POTN.  :p


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Aug 30, 2016 14:47 |  #632

don1163 wrote in post #18111552 (external link)
These 2 sentences really tickled me............

in terms of high iso shooting, it may very well be the case.

1Dx is like 2600 on the used market I think, may turn out to be a bargain if you're going to compare it to either camera.

the 5DIV looks like a very well balanced camera for mixed shooting, but a sports oriented shooter will find little benefit with a 1Dxii IMO.


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Aug 30, 2016 14:48 |  #633

Charlie wrote in post #18111544 (external link)
it was posted a few pages back, the dpreview studio scene.

at high iso, the 1Dx vs 1Dxii are fairly similar @ 25600

The 1Dxii doesnt touch the 1Dx at a stop higher ISO, ever.

How much $$$ do you want to loose on a bet  :p;-)a


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Aug 30, 2016 14:50 |  #634

If every claimed ISO improvement was actually true from the start of digital to preset day in each generation of cameras, we would have ISO 1 million clean enough to eat off of.


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Aug 30, 2016 14:59 |  #635

FEChariot wrote in post #18111565 (external link)
If every claimed ISO improvement was actually true from the start of digital to preset day in each generation of cameras, we would have ISO 1 million clean enough to eat off of.


Please. Stop with the Nonsense.

Look where ISO has Gone since the 40D release when everyone crapped that 1600 was usable on a crop and 3200 was usable on the original 5D classic

we now have sensors in Canons line up where 25000 ISO is usable on a full frame sensor.

Thats 3 full usable stops of ISO in less than an 8 yr span

Thats progress

Who would have thought that would happen when we were all using a 1Ds and the 1DMK111

remarkable ISO performance has happened


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Aug 30, 2016 15:01 |  #636

umphotography wrote in post #18111562 (external link)
How much $$$ do you want to loose on a bet  :p;-)a

djhaze was mentioning the dpreview studio scene, and here it is, dont shoot the messenger

https://www.dpreview.c​om …-x-mark-ii-studio-tests/2 (external link)

I've only seen a full stop high iso gain maybe once or twice ever, 5Dc -> 5D2 and maybe A7 -> A7rii

a full stop is pretty significant, and usually 2+ generations or drastic fabrication and design changes.


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Aug 30, 2016 15:02 |  #637

to me the 5d4 files at and above 128k are about half a stop better then the awsome a7r2.

Wuite frankly this is probably the only 5d4 thread in the whole internet that doesnt have a load of haterz and moaning


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Aug 30, 2016 15:04 |  #638

Charlie wrote in post #18111574 (external link)
djhaze was mentioning the dpreview studio scene, and here it is, dont shoot the messenger

https://www.dpreview.c​om …-x-mark-ii-studio-tests/2 (external link)

I've only seen a full stop high iso gain maybe once or twice ever, 5Dc -> 5D2 and maybe A7 -> A7rii

a full stop is pretty significant, and usually 2+ generations or drastic fabrication and design changes.


So says the Sony A7 user :-P:-P:-P:-P


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Aug 30, 2016 15:09 |  #639

umphotography wrote in post #18111572 (external link)
Please. Stop with the Nonsense.

Look where ISO has Gone since the 40D release when everyone crapped that 1600 was usable on a crop and 3200 was usable on the original 5D classic

we now have sensors in Canons line up where 25000 ISO is usable on a full frame sensor.

Thats 3 full usable stops of ISO in less than an 8 yr span

Thats progress

Who would have thought that would happen when we were all using a 1Ds and the 1DMK111

remarkable ISO performance has happened

Every time there is a new body, it's a stop plus better than the last one, or so the new owners claim, and including all the crop cameras, there is a lot more than 3 stops advantage. My point is this advantage gets massively over generalized by confirmation bias.


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Aug 30, 2016 15:14 |  #640

"It's the end of Canon!"

Same discussion with every new 5D model.

"For real, this time!"


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Aug 30, 2016 15:17 |  #641

FEChariot wrote in post #18111582 (external link)
Every time there is a new body, it's a stop plus better than the last one, or so the new owners claim, and including all the crop cameras, there is a lot more than 3 stops advantage. My point is this advantage gets massively over generalized by confirmation bias.

Agree with what you're saying 100%. Both the complaints and praises of new bodies tend to be tempered after they're out a bit and actually in wide use. Certainly there have been gains, and the recent sensors (1DxII and 80D) have made the biggest steps for Canon in awhile, but 1+ stop in high ISO noise performance is being very rosy.

And FWIW, I don't really consider Jeff Ascough et al particularly reliable reviewers. He's a great photographer for sure, but he's also clearly a Canon shill.


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Aug 30, 2016 15:18 |  #642

Charlie wrote in post #18111210 (external link)
Pretty sure it's spelled "defense"

In your little corner of the world, yes, but the correct English spelling that the rest of the world uses, it's 'defence'.


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Aug 30, 2016 15:19 |  #643

umphotography wrote in post #18111577 (external link)
So says the Sony A7 user :-P:-P:-P:-P

go ahead and name one other time that a single generation produced a full stop high iso improvement (other than raising iso limits)


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Aug 30, 2016 15:24 |  #644

FEChariot wrote in post #18111582 (external link)
Every time there is a new body, it's a stop plus better than the last one, or so the new owners claim, and including all the crop cameras, there is a lot more than 3 stops advantage. My point is this advantage gets massively over generalized by confirmation bias.


I tend to agree. On this update, on the 1Dx line up, We have a full stop of ISO improvement. No Doubt in my mind. I personally have used both. I would not go past 12800 on the 1Dx1 for my needs. 25000 is my tops but I could push it to 32000 in the right circumstances on the 1Dx2.

No Doubt.. we have a stop

What we really have is Substantial improvements in Dark and Shadow capabilities, Dark and shadow details, and overall dark and shadow DR coupled with ISO improvements that make this a substantial update for Canon. It outs Canon in Sony Sensor territory for the first time since the Sony sensors hit the markets in October 2013. They are on a very level playing field with sensor technology and capturing capabilities....This is a first for canon so yeah, im excited.You take ISO and everything else I just mentioned and this is leaps and Bounds the best thing that has happened to Canon in years.

Now factor that Canon has the AF capabilities that Sony Does not come close to and the product line up behind as well. no adapters for the lens. Just bolt them on and go to town. So Yeah Its a great and exciting time to be a canon Fan Boy. They are finally in the game.

I will bet $$$ this new 5D4 sensor is everything the guys who have actually had it in their hands Say that it is. Its gonna blow a lot of people away. This is huge ISO improvements for a 30Mb sensor...Huge


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Aug 30, 2016 15:25 |  #645

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18111589 (external link)
In your little corner of the world, yes, but the correct English spelling that the rest of the world uses, it's 'defence'.

Wait, two different words.

In the US it's DEE-fense, and that's spelled with an "s." Usually chanted in three-word mantras: "DEE-fense! DEE-fense! DEE-fense!"


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