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Sep 01, 2016 03:38 |  #841

Some more interesting Dual Pixel raw investigation: https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/post/5827205​3 (external link)

Certainly compelling evidence of a main A+B image with clipped highlights, and a B image with no clipped pixels. Maybe... just maybe... there will be the potential to gain up to 1 stop of DR with a Dual Pixel raw shot that's been deliberately overexposed (by 1 stop).


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Sep 01, 2016 03:39 |  #842

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I wanna do a nude portrait using my 85mm 1.2 L attached to my 5d4

Selfie? :mrgreen:


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Sep 01, 2016 03:40 |  #843

sploo wrote in post #18113330 (external link)
Selfie? :mrgreen:

o yes!


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Sep 01, 2016 05:29 |  #844

John Sheehy wrote in post #18112509 (external link)
You really need to expand your horizons; you lack of versatility is showing. I was out yesterday shooting small birds hiding in the green shade on a sunny day at f/5.6 with the lens+TC wide-open, with a shutter speed sufficient for the subject matter, and my auto-ISO was maxing out at 16000, with many images looking dark enough in the review that they were approaching ISO 100K in actuality.

I never understand people who judge what other people need by the world lit by their own candle, with their own myopia.

Keep trolling ;-)a

Just show how your "VERSATILE" anyway.

My photos are in my Flick. I'm very sure that I'm far 'versatile' than most people.


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Sep 01, 2016 05:31 |  #845

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Sep 01, 2016 05:52 |  #846

x_tan wrote in post #18113372 (external link)
Keep trolling ;-)a

Just show how your "VERSATILE" anyway.

My photos are in my Flick. I'm very sure that I'm far 'versatile' than most people.

Amazing work. Really have a good eye and have mastered colors far better than I have.


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Sep 01, 2016 06:40 |  #847

Talley wrote in post #18112697 (external link)
https://www.dpreview.c​om …provements-to-the-5d-line (external link)

DPReview just posted the dynamic range and pushing the shadows. Specifically says BETTER than 1dxII. Knocking at the Sony A7RII.

This is a dramatic difference than the MK3 and a welcomed improvement. Again... I don't see whats not to like with this camera.

Everyday we keep finding out more and more awesome things about the 5D4. This DR improvement is the cherry on top of the icing on the cake. Total agreement with you: what's not to like with this camera? I can see myself keeping it forever.

The low noise capability of the D810 is amazing though. If I was just getting into photography or needed a whole new camera system, it'd be a really tough choice who to go with. Now that the playing field is more level, I think ergonomics are going to be an even more important deciding factor.

First shot with 5D4? Probably a portrait using either my 50L or 135L :love:


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Sep 01, 2016 07:01 |  #848

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o yes!

well now you have a good reason to gripe about not having a flippy screen!


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Sep 01, 2016 07:15 |  #849

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Everyday we keep finding out more and more awesome things about the 5D4. This DR improvement is the cherry on top of the icing on the cake. Total agreement with you: what's not to like with this camera? I can see myself keeping it forever.

I can hear a gaggle of Nikon and Sony shooters chuckling in the background and muttering "welcome to 2012"... but... anyway... at least Canon are finally in the game; such that the low ISO DR isn't really a massive factor for the overwhelming majority of shooters. If the DP raw images do turn out to provide something close to an extra stop (with certain caveats) then it could even take the 5D4 close to class leading... at least until a D820 or a7Riii appears anyway.


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Sep 01, 2016 07:16 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #850

Now I really think I'm happy I have the Nudes/Glamour board not visible in my list! :eek: :grin:


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Sep 01, 2016 07:33 as a reply to  @ sploo's post |  #851

I'm actually one of those that are saying welcome to 2012, and i'm a longtime Canon user. however, the DR gripe has pretty much been addressed by Canon. Yes, it would be nice to have D810 levels of DR latitude, but what they have given us is pretty significant over the current system ie. 5d3 -> 5d4. also, looking at the system holistically, it is a pretty significant upgrade, with the inclusion of WIFI and GPS, and the auto iso shooting modes, etc. The list that Talley put together was great. Does it suck that Canon still hasnt matched Nikon's old tech for DR? Sure, but we also have the new dual pixel feature which MAY give us some additional wiggle room in DR. Add to the fact that now you can do AF adjustments in post. I think that's going to be pretty amazing, if it's implemented correctly. I've had so many shots that I've been off in AF by a little bit with my 85L, and I had to toss. If I had to option to manipulate the DOF, that would have increased my keeper rate by a TON. So let's see how this tech matures, and lets see the real world reviews. I'll be anxiously waiting on the sidelines :)


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Sep 01, 2016 07:40 |  #852

sploo wrote in post #18113425 (external link)
I can hear a gaggle of Nikon and Sony shooters chuckling in the background and muttering "welcome to 2012"... but... anyway... at least Canon are finally in the game; such that the low ISO DR isn't really a massive factor for the overwhelming majority of shooters. If the DP raw images do turn out to provide something close to an extra stop (with certain caveats) then it could even take the 5D4 close to class leading... at least until a D820 or a7Riii appears anyway.

The extra latitude is a nice to have, but I've found that it definitely isn't a big factor for me. I shot with the 5D3 for years, and most recently the 80D which is supposed to have this improved DR range, and my results are (not surprisingly) pretty much the same. The DR hasn't allowed me to take better shots or made my images look better than those from my 5D3 /shrug

I'm glad that I didn't make a silly jump to Nikon because I would have been let down when I discovered that extra DR means absolutely nothing for my work, and I gave up my excellent Canon glass for a miniscule IQ bump when +5'ing shadows (and the 36MP). Both systems are excellent, I could live with either, but it's just too costly to switch.


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Sep 01, 2016 07:41 as a reply to  @ post 18113012 |  #853

Go get it.....you know it makes sense :lol:


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Sep 01, 2016 08:34 |  #854

sploo wrote in post #18113425 (external link)
I can hear a gaggle of Nikon and Sony shooters chuckling in the background and muttering "welcome to 2012"... but... anyway... at least Canon are finally in the game; such that the low ISO DR isn't really a massive factor for the overwhelming majority of shooters. If the DP raw images do turn out to provide something close to an extra stop (with certain caveats) then it could even take the 5D4 close to class leading... at least until a D820 or a7Riii appears anyway.

I shoot a ton of landscapes and while DR is nice with Sony, it's really the smallest reason to own one. I would love the low base iso like Nikon, not necessarily for DR reasons, but for slower shutter with less and filtration. Base iso 50 or 25, ahhhhhhhh. Even if DR remained flat at those iso, I would be happy


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Sep 01, 2016 08:41 |  #855

MatthewK wrote in post #18113440 (external link)
The extra latitude is a nice to have, but I've found that it definitely isn't a big factor for me. I shot with the 5D3 for, and now the 80D, which is supposed to have this improved DR range, and my results are (not surprisingly) the same. The DR hasn't allowed me to take better shots or made my images look better than those from my 5D3 /shrug

I'm glad that I didn't make a silly jump to Nikon because I would have been let down when I discovered that extra DR means absolutely nothing for my work, and I gave up my excellent Canon glass for a miniscule IQ bump when +5'ing shadows (and the 36MP). Both systems are excellent, I could live with either, but it's just too costly to switch.

It doesn't bite me too often these days (if I know I'll need DR then I try to bracket) but I do have a fair number of shots where the shadows needed lifting to achieve the desired effect, but the noise was just too bad for the result to be usable.

As far as I understand, the DxoMark type numbers are quantitative; that is, they measure the total amount of noise, rather than the character. If the noise in 5D3 shadows was nicely random (as appears to be somewhat the case with the newer Canon bodies) then, for example considering the 5D4, there would be a usable ~2 stops of DR improvement (what appears to be 13.6 vs 11.7 stops for the 5D4 and 5D3 respectively).

However, because the shadow noise on the older Canon bodies appears as visually distracting columns (i.e. shadow banding) you actually tend to have less usable DR than the quantitative numbers might suggest. This is because you could lift shadows to the point that the quantity of noise (randomly distributed) would be just acceptable, but because the noise is in bands the visually acceptable limit (i.e. the qualitative limit) comes much sooner.

That's a very longwinded way of saying that I suspect there will be more than a ~2 stop improvement in "visually acceptable" terms. That would rescue a fair number of shots I've taken - hence it's my primary reason for upgrading. The other extra features are gravy on top ;-)a

[Of course, my cynical side says that in a month Nikon will release a 45MP D820 with 8 fps, 200 shot raw buffer, and 15.5 stops of low ISO DR]


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