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Sep 02, 2016 05:02 |  #23011

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I had the Fuji X100t and REALLY enjoyed shooting it. It's a completely different animal. Probably more like the rx1rii. But mostly, I still fight the Sony ergonomics and Overall shooting experience. I've seen some very good stuff done with th xt1 and have often wondered if I could simplify my kit in both size and simplicity. Might make the shooting more enjoyable.
I don't do this for a living, so...do, I really need the highest MP and sharpest edge to edge if it comes at the cost of less fun?
Open question. Semi rhetorical. I just remember the X100t being so much more fun to shoot. And the Sony just feels like it gets in my way and I have to fight it to make it do what I want. Maybe it's just in my head.

There are pluses and minuses to both systems and as they age some minuses will no longer be negatives. To be, having had deep experiences in both systems (NEX-6, 7, a6000, a6300, a7, a7rII and X-E1, X-Pro 2, X-T1, x100 ps, x100t, x70) here is what I think are ones for me.

Sony
+ IQ, DR of sensors ar unmatched
+ ability to adapt anything to it. For me I didn't at all, but I could see the appeal of slapping a MF lens or Metabones
+ massive amount of tech into it, IbIS, 4K, useable Eye AF)
- overheating (only had it happen to me once)
- crippled technology at times, why still using UHS-I? Sluggish at times.
- buffer stinks. Why have 11 FPS if buffer is filled at 21 shots. Then lock up for 8-10 seconds to clear buffer
- no dual card slots, no fast way to move AF point

Fuji
+ full features lens lineup. Started with fast 1.4 primes. Now releasing slightly slower, faster AF, WR primes that are somewhat affordable. 23/35 f2 for under $500 each. Sony has only 2-3 lenses under $500.
+ film simulations, JPEG that are useable SOOC.
+ manual dials
+ listen to users (AF joystick, dual UHs-II slots, 3 way tilt screen, AF cases like 5dm3 series constant FW updates)
+ offers a good selection of gear types. Want a corner EVF? Have the X-Pro 2. Want a DSLR style? Have the X-T series. Offers a high end and a value option for both (X-Pro 2/X-E line and X-T(X)/X-T(XX)
- closed system, no real 3rd party support
- slower to change settings, no mode dial, could be plus or minus
- slower AF historically. Even at flagship to flagship or comparative models to other systems, Fuji has also had slower AF. Maybe X-T2 will fix that.
- lenses start expensive. But Fuji has the early adopter tax on lenses more than anyone I know. If you don't need the lens right away, wait 4-6 months after release and you'll get it for 10-25% off.
+ a positive is the used market has a good choice in more affordable lense a because of the constant sales.

If you base it on IQ, pixel peeping, pulling shadows, post processing latitude, shooting at ISo80,000, etc, Fuji will never keep up with the Sony system. If you base it off of shooting experience, requesting features and getting it, and having a smaller, lighter, more affordable system then Fuji will compete and win in many cases. I'll say it and I've heard it many times, shooting with the Sony gives me great results but getting there isn't the most enjoyable. Shooting with a Fuji my end result might not be as technically rich but the journey there is more enjoyable.

If I was a working pro or someone who demanded the best landscapes like David or portraits like Vin then I would probably stick with Sony. I would then have to factor in the $3,300 for the a7rII, or the $4,000+ for the next body. I would have to factor in the $1,800 for the 85 GM, or the $2,200 for the 24-70. The $1,600 for the 50 1.4 or the $2,600 for the 70-200GM. You're talking a $10,000+ investment. Easier for a pro or an avid shooter. While the Fuji system is still expensive, my intended kit is going to be under $4,000, which is still a lot of money, but for s serious hobbyist is easier to budget than a Sony system.

It's good that we have these great toys to play with and you can't go wrong with either.


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Sep 02, 2016 05:41 |  #23012

I have about the same setup as yours (a6000 instead of a6300) and still unsure about the switch to Fuji. After comparing a lot of specs and putting it next to my d750 I have to say the most pressing reason for me to buy either is the ability to focus in very low light. The d750 is amazing, the a6000 frankly sucks for this. Is the a6300 better for this? Or the Fuji?


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Sep 02, 2016 06:45 |  #23013

Charlie wrote in post #18113775 (external link)
it would be awkward to explain that to my kids  :p, however a few years back, I was watching my kids play minecraft, and I came to the opinion that it's possibly the best game ever made (in general terms). It's like Legos (best toy ever made) of video games. 99% sure, my kids would get bored of waiting for turns to play or replay-ability of most older games being poor.

I can get my kids any game, and they'll get bored in record time, but minecraft has endured for years and they cant get enough. It's multiplayer, it's endless, 1 license cost like $6 for all three to play at once, it doesnt occupy the tv, that's a lot of redeeming factors for a game on top of gameplay.

back in my day we played out side haha, no mind rot games sitting staring at a tv while its sunny outside,I've never owned a system and my kids don't stare at a tv either,they play outside haha. space invaders may be the last game i played in a arcade. kids today have enough distractions leading them away from being social outside,ill avoid till they are are old enough to get their own which i hope they won't be into.


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Sep 02, 2016 07:04 |  #23014

genesimmons wrote in post #18114352 (external link)
back in my day we played out side haha, no mind rot games sitting staring at a tv while its sunny outside,I've never owned a system and my kids don't stare at a tv either,they play outside haha. space invaders may be the last game i played in a arcade. kids today have enough distractions leading them away from being social outside,ill avoid till they are are old enough to get their own which i hope they won't be into.

My kid doesn't play outside...but not because of videogames..I haven't really exposed him to them. He doesn't really watch TV either except sports

His issue is 2-3 hours of homework a night...


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Sep 02, 2016 07:46 |  #23015

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Canon 16-35L II

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Very much appreciated! Found the image going through my catalog and thought I would finish editing it. The Canon 16-35L II is plenty sharp in the center but the corners are a bit weak. It will be hard to let it go when the Laowa 12 shows up.

Really like that shot...and if you do decide to sell the 16-35II...please let me know...I am looking to swap out the 17-40L and get the 16-35...


From last weekend's scouting trip. Low water levels meant I could climb out onto the rocks in the middle of the falls. Plenty safe, plenty of space from the edge...

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Sep 02, 2016 07:49 |  #23016

TRhoads wrote in post #18114380 (external link)
Really like that shot...and if you do decide to sell the 16-35II...please let me know...I am looking to swap out the 17-40L and get the 16-35...

From last weekend's scouting trip. Low water levels meant I could climb out onto the rocks in the middle of the falls. Plenty safe, plenty of space from the edge...
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Nice shot! You did get close. Last time I was there was a few years ago during the fall. The water was raging, but I was able to get under the bridge for a few shots. Really like you B&W conversion. I think it's more interesting with less water, more of the rock formations.


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Sep 02, 2016 07:51 |  #23017

And last night I did a test, I processed that image in color, in both Capture One and Lightroom. Capture1 was more vibrant, with better color, but didn't handle the highlights as well as LR did. Capture1 added in a blue tint to the highlights that I struggled to edit out...so I ended up with the LR edit going into PS for the conversion work. I dunno...I can see some images might do better in Capture1 and if I feel like it I might add it to my workflow...if the show/competition goes well tonight, maybe I will!


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Sep 02, 2016 07:52 |  #23018

WillMeades wrote in post #18114385 (external link)
Nice shot! You did get close. Last time I was there was a few years ago during the fall. The water was raging, but I was able to get under the bridge for a few shots. Really like you B&W conversion. I think it's more interesting with less water, more of the rock formations.

Thanks. Yeah, I shot there in the fall of 2014, no way to get to this spot, the spray soaks everything, even trying to get down to the river level under the bridge was too treacherous. I love it that the water level was low, it had more fine details to work with.


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Sep 02, 2016 07:53 |  #23019

So guys my last day here in spain. Got a lot to post once i get home and process my 128GB card full of photos :oops:

Im not the wildlife photographer but i managed some nice monkey portraits haha.


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Sep 02, 2016 08:00 |  #23020

TRhoads wrote in post #18114380 (external link)
Really like that shot...and if you do decide to sell the 16-35II...please let me know...I am looking to swap out the 17-40L and get the 16-35...

Are you sure you would want to do that? Landscapers are better served with the 16-35mm f/4L IS model over the 16-35L II aren't they?


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Sep 02, 2016 08:06 |  #23021

David Arbogast wrote in post #18114393 (external link)
Are you sure you would want to do that? Landscapers are better served with the 16-35mm f/4L IS model over the 16-35L II aren't they?

its the f/2.8 part for astro...although I don't know how well that lens does at Astro...probably need to research that first...my budget can't support a 14LII right now...;-)a


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Sep 02, 2016 08:09 |  #23022

TRhoads wrote in post #18114399 (external link)
its the f/2.8 part for astro...although I don't know how well that lens does at Astro...probably need to research that first...my budget can't support a 14LII right now...;-)a

It does quite well at astro but that's all I use mine for as the edges are very soft. I'm thinking of trading mine in for the f/4 version!


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Sep 02, 2016 08:12 |  #23023

TRhoads wrote in post #18114399 (external link)
its the f/2.8 part for astro...although I don't know how well that lens does at Astro...probably need to research that first...my budget can't support a 14LII right now...;-)a

astro bros samyang 14 + 24

check out those threads, the lenses are coma free, which matters most with astro. Full of astro shots in the lens sample threads, people buy those lenses for astro. You can use the 16-35f4IS for everything else, I imagine that will be hard to beat. 16-35ii/iii looks more like for event shooters, but I'm sure the iii can do astro well, older canons not really known for coma control, 14Lii included.


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Sep 02, 2016 08:14 |  #23024

TRhoads wrote in post #18114399 (external link)
its the f/2.8 part for astro...although I don't know how well that lens does at Astro...probably need to research that first...my budget can't support a 14LII right now...;-)a

Tamron 15-30mm would be better for astro and sharper as well (better than either 16-35L II and 14L II). Add the Fotodiox Fusion ND Throttle adapter and you can easily solve the filter issue with the bulbous lens (it has a 1-8 stop vari ND). Here is a discussion thread on the ND Throttle (I had started it, but Fred converted it to a news thread): http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/14458​80 (external link)

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Sep 02, 2016 08:19 |  #23025

AnnieMacD wrote in post #18114403 (external link)
It does quite well at astro but that's all I use mine for as the edges are very soft. I'm thinking of trading mine in for the f/4 version!

I'm loving my f/4L kit now. Got the 16-35mm, 24-70mm, and 70-200mm and they're all sharp for cityscapes and landscapes. Really appreciating your 24-70mm recommendation. :)


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