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Sep 02, 2016 20:55 |  #991

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TS, what ISO were these 3 shot at?

ISO 6400, this is at 12800, but I have to do work on those.

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Sep 02, 2016 22:25 |  #992

Here's an interesting article on the Dual Pixel, it really appears to be a game changer!! I'm excited that the MK4 has this!

Here's an article in swedish, translate to english to read.

first pic shows original pic with woman in foreground as original focal point. With dual pixel, the shift to the woman in the background was focused.

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Sep 02, 2016 22:48 |  #993

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Sep 03, 2016 02:43 |  #994

Hockeyphoto wrote in post #18115180 (external link)
Here's an interesting article on the Dual Pixel, it really appears to be a game changer!! I'm excited that the MK4 has this!

Here's an article in swedish, translate to english to read.

first pic shows original pic with woman in foreground as original focal point. With dual pixel, the shift to the woman in the background was focused.

http://www.kamerabild.​se …eos-5d-mark-iv?nodePage=3 (external link)


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WOW, Thanks for the link! This is a MAJOR focus shift and I AM VERY IMPRESSIVE!

Yet, this is game change for street photography.


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Sep 03, 2016 03:44 |  #995

Hockeyphoto wrote in post #18115180 (external link)
Here's an interesting article on the Dual Pixel, it really appears to be a game changer!! I'm excited that the MK4 has this!

Here's an article in swedish, translate to english to read.

first pic shows original pic with woman in foreground as original focal point. With dual pixel, the shift to the woman in the background was focused.

http://www.kamerabild.​se …eos-5d-mark-iv?nodePage=3 (external link)


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Personally I think saying the focus was moved onto the woman at the back is a bit optimistic, based on viewing these attached images. I would suggest that it really only gets as far as the guy in the black, still Shifting the focal point AT ALL is a incredible achievement. Overstating the claims can lead to people missing that fact, when they look and think it didn't really do a great job. The reduction in image size should be working in favour of apparent sharpness too.

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Sep 03, 2016 06:30 |  #996

x_tan wrote in post #18115319 (external link)
WOW, Thanks for the link! This is a MAJOR focus shift and I AM VERY IMPRESSIVE!

Yet, this is game change for street photography.

If only this tech was around for the EOS-1D Mark III!  :p


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Sep 03, 2016 07:01 |  #997

Hockeyphoto wrote in post #18115180 (external link)
Here's an interesting article on the Dual Pixel, it really appears to be a game changer!! I'm excited that the MK4 has this!

Here's an article in swedish, translate to english to read.

first pic shows original pic with woman in foreground as original focal point. With dual pixel, the shift to the woman in the background was focused.

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eh, whatever, the camera still has a mirror.

welcome to 2012 DR.

no EVF, pfft

and it won't make my morning coffee!

but really, wow, that is awesome. I was seriously skeptical about the utility of the focus shift but when you view the full frame image the distance between the woman in front and man in black looks like 6 feet/almost 2m.

I didn't translate the article, but it looks like the shot was taken with a 50mm @5.6? That doesn't seem quite right, seems a little wider with a little less DOF.

edit: the author was talking about something else when mentioning 50mm @ 5.6

For best results, according to Canon using a focal length of at least 50mm and an aperture of f / 5.6 or lower , and an ISO setting of 1600 ISO or lower . Photographs for example, a portrait with a 50mm lens, will the shooting stand 1-10 meters from the camera , at 100mm 2-20 meters, and at 200mm 4-40 meters from the


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Sep 03, 2016 07:08 |  #998

So again why couldn't you do 3 exports of the DPR image one in the middle, and two extremes then focus stack the three images together. Shoot at 1.4 but get the DOF of shooting at F4 with the shutter/low iso benefits of shooting wide open.


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Sep 03, 2016 09:01 |  #999

Impressive !!

dual-pixel raw for long lenses

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Sep 03, 2016 09:27 |  #1000

krikricricri wrote in post #18115479 (external link)
Impressive !!

dual-pixel raw for long lenses

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=AhVKMmKFGy8 (external link)

Seems to me the longer the lens and closer you are there is only a micro amount of adjustment but if using something of a 50mm lens and F2 and a wider angle of coverage you end up getting much larger amount of adjusment.

I really think this will be more useful than people currently think it is.


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Sep 03, 2016 09:28 |  #1001

krikricricri wrote in post #18115479 (external link)
Impressive !!

dual-pixel raw for long lenses

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=AhVKMmKFGy8 (external link)

It is totally awesome but it also still makes me cringe at the choice of memory cards Canon decided to go with. With dual pixel raw turned on, you can get 7 frames before the buffer fills up. That's only 1 second of shooting. So while this is going to be the perfect portrait and wedding camera, Canon could have have this a much better all around camera yet decided to cripple it.


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Sep 03, 2016 09:43 |  #1002

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It is totally awesome but it also still makes me cringe at the choice of memory cards Canon decided to go with. With dual pixel raw turned on, you can get 7 frames before the buffer fills up. That's only 1 second of shooting. So while this is going to be the perfect portrait and wedding camera, Canon could have have this a much better all around camera yet decided to cripple it.

As much as I'm not caring what memory they had picked I do agree with this scenario. CFast is the new standard. I can live with it... I don't have to buy new cards... but ultimately ya. Would of been great to have unlimited buffer period no matter what. Wedding guys would of appreciated that and this is one of it's primary target areas.


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Sep 03, 2016 10:04 |  #1003

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Here is what I get from the 7D2 from out of camera JPGs. Zero post processing performed. What I need really is just a bit more detail I feel, and a little bit more ISO, which is what the 5D3 gave me. 6400 is fine, 12800 could use a bit more ooommph. The 5D3 did better by around a stop perhaps, so the 5D4 will be fun.

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all of these were shot with a consistent clean light source. I can see why you got good results. Kudos

Now go shoot in crap light that you need to supplement or at a reception in mixed light and you wont be taking that 7D2 into the environment. Mine sits if i need to be above 5000.

This is where the 5D3 and the new 5D4 will definitely shine. Often, when you are at 12800 and climbing, light is garbage. So the new sensors will really be a big help.

Good light and and these sensors are going to let 12800 and 2500o be usable


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Sep 03, 2016 10:20 |  #1004

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Good light and and these sensors are going to let 12800 and 2500o be usable

I've been saying that since I saw the 32,000 on the top LCD in the leaked photos.


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Sep 03, 2016 10:20 |  #1005

FEChariot wrote in post #18115502 (external link)
It is totally awesome but it also still makes me cringe at the choice of memory cards Canon decided to go with. With dual pixel raw turned on, you can get 7 frames before the buffer fills up. That's only 1 second of shooting. So while this is going to be the perfect portrait and wedding camera, Canon could have have this a much better all around camera yet decided to cripple it.

I dont feel that canon has crippled the camera at all...Somewhere along the line they have to stop adding features. It would affect sales of their top range cameras if the mid range cameras had exactly the same features.
Canon seems to have produced a great camera in the 5D line with significant upgrades.
Stop moaning about what the camera doesnt have....If you want a better one buy the 1DXii... (but bear in mind canon decided to cripple the 1DXii by not adding a pop out cocktail bar, a built in hand warmer or a flippy lcd screen)

The 5D4 is what it is.....if you dont like it the simple option is not to buy it...


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