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Sep 02, 2016 18:47 |  #1

I need HELP! I tried my hand at Volleyball again and need some help with processing. Or technique. Outdoors I am fine but put me in a gym and I suffer. Here is a capture SOOC. I can't figure out what to do in processing to not degrade it. I fix the white balance and exposure just fine but sharpening and noise reduction are all failing me. This is in LR 5. Thanks for any help you can offer. Just trying to get better. :)


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Sep 02, 2016 23:49 |  #2

I have two critiques about your photo. First, it appears to be underexposed. With a 1D X, you should be able to shoot 1/1000 sec, f/2.8 and ISO 6400 with ease. The second suggestion is to shoot tighter. I appreciate that you wanted to include the scoreboard in your shot and that is OK but the more compelling shot would be at 200mm with the full frame 1D X.

Here is a shot, similar to yours and taken from a similar spot on the floor, from last Saturday taken with a 1D Mark IV at 1/1000 sec, f/3.2, 200mm, and ISO 6400. It was also processed in Lightroom.

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Your 1D X should be able to get better image quality than my 1D Mark IV. It is my view that the tighter image is more compelling.

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Sep 03, 2016 11:40 as a reply to  @ Zivnuska's post |  #3

Thanks Phil. Great shot! Where was your AF point if you don't mind me asking?


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Sep 03, 2016 14:58 |  #4

In this particular case, it was straight through the net on her neck/face intersection with her jersey prior to her jump. My focus held on her so I went with it.

BTW, sometimes the focus will drift to the net. It happens to everyone. Just be sure you can tell through the viewfinder and adjust as needed. Use your dioptric adjustment knob. Welcome to volleyball photography!

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Sep 03, 2016 15:45 as a reply to  @ Zivnuska's post |  #5

Thanks again. And great info in your blog. Thanks for sharing.

I submitted two galleries to MaxPreps today, 1 volleyball and 1 football. I was worried about the VB and happy with the FB. Turns out they accepted the VB without any problems and I have some culling to do with the FB. Go figure!


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Sep 03, 2016 16:00 as a reply to  @ jpsamora's post |  #6

Sounds good. I'm sure they don't get as many good volleyball galleries. Thumbs up and keep posting more volleyball.

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Sep 04, 2016 15:09 |  #7

As Phil stated, the biggest problem with the image is that it is under exposed. When you correct the exposure you will have a lot more noise then if you had it right in camera. That is probably why you are having a hard time keeping the image quality up. Because of job commitments I stop shooting for a couple of years but started back again last month. I have a new camera and it took me a couple of events to start figuring out how to process the images from this model's sensor. All cameras are a little different. I am currently shooting some volleyball and put up about a dozen images on flickr of each event. Take a look and you get an idea of what angles, etc are available. I shoot mainly at the college mid major level so the gyms have better lighting than most high schools.

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Sep 05, 2016 17:02 as a reply to  @ RCB's post |  #8

Those are first rate images.


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Sep 05, 2016 17:56 |  #9

It needs to be shot tighter (200mm) and it's 2/3-1 stop under exposed. ISO 8000 or 10000 and f/2.8 or f/3.2 would do the trick. Focusing on the player through the net works ok if the jersey has some contrast to it but with white jerseys it will tend to want to grab the net. Shooting in portrait mode here I'd move the AF point to the very bottom of the frame and try to keep it on the legs. They will be in the same plane of focus as the face but you won't be shooting through the net. Also, where you shot from is not a very good place for shooting action at the net-- it is a good place for shooting bumps and dives in the back court. To shoot action at the net I want to be either near the net around midcourt or up high somewhere.
Keep at it! Volleyball is a VERY challenging sport to photograph well and you'll get there with some practice.

Also, if you own a 300 f/2.8 (you are clearly serious about gear if you own a 1DX) then I would go with that over the 70-200 for most of the game. Backing far away but shooting at 300 takes some getting used to but the results are 100% worth it.




  
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Sep 05, 2016 20:21 |  #10

MBB89 wrote in post #18118088 (external link)
It needs to be shot tighter (200mm) and it's 2/3-1 stop under exposed. ISO 8000 or 10000 and f/2.8 or f/3.2 would do the trick. Focusing on the player through the net works ok if the jersey has some contrast to it but with white jerseys it will tend to want to grab the net. Shooting in portrait mode here I'd move the AF point to the very bottom of the frame and try to keep it on the legs. They will be in the same plane of focus as the face but you won't be shooting through the net. Also, where you shot from is not a very good place for shooting action at the net-- it is a good place for shooting bumps and dives in the back court. To shoot action at the net I want to be either near the net around midcourt or up high somewhere.
Keep at it! Volleyball is a VERY challenging sport to photograph well and you'll get there with some practice.

Also, if you own a 300 f/2.8 (you are clearly serious about gear if you own a 1DX) then I would go with that over the 70-200 for most of the game. Backing far away but shooting at 300 takes some getting used to but the results are 100% worth it.

This. Unless you own the 200/2 then you can shoot with it, get the same DOF as 300 2.8 and it's so sharp you can crop down and be good to go. I tested this for a dance recital and liked it better than the 300 2.8


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Sep 08, 2016 02:22 |  #12

Hope you don't mind me adding a few from last weeks first home match up. I like to shoot tight as mentioned in another post but quite often use a wider format to give the team look to it. These were shot with the 1dxmii and 70-200 2.8ii using strobes in the ceiling of the gym that I have set up.

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