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Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

 
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Sep 08, 2016 10:23 |  #1456

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I was addressing specific cameras. Of course, the 5Ds(r) has similar pixel density to the 7D2, but it has a little more noise at 100%, and shoots at half the speed. My hope for the future is a 7D2-class crop camera with read noise per unit of sensor area as good or better than the 5D4 or 1DxII (I think the D500 is already better, if I'm not mistaken), and a slower-shooting very-high-res 6D-like camera. I may cave on the 5D4 while waiting, though! If it had f/11 center-point AF to accommodate 1.4x more TC magnification with AF than the 7D2, it would be more certain.

F11... you must have some weird lenses.... the slowest lens I have is F4 and all my other lenses are 1.4, 2 or 2.8 and for some reason I have never been able to understand that F number doo hickey thing. The lenses just shoot at that number they have on the barrell and I thought that was your only option.

I mean doesn't everyone shoot wide open???  :p


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Sep 08, 2016 10:23 |  #1457

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For those that ordered through Amazon...

Rep just told me they expect to have it in stock sometime between the 16th and the 24th.

Wait, what?! :cry:

Edit: I just checked the website and it shows out-of-stock. I'm wondering if that's because they haven't received them yet or possibly because the first batch has made it to the shipping department. Hmm...


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Sep 08, 2016 10:26 |  #1458

Really liking the touch screen


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Sep 08, 2016 10:45 |  #1459

Talley wrote in post #18120845 (external link)
I haven't been overly happy with it. Sorry but thats just my take. It's for sale if your interested though.

Now, now don't be a hater just because the 5dIV has no articulating screen! (Although otherwise similar at three times the cost).


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Sep 08, 2016 10:48 |  #1460

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I don't want to start another crop vs ff debate.

For me FF offers a unique pop to an image and from my experience has provided a different feel when it comes to colors and clarity... mostly clarity. Just something unique that the crop lacks. Then you factor in the higher ISO performance. I just love the way FF looks.

I don't see much of a difference with the same DOF and FOV, which puts the FF at 1.6x the ISO. Much of what you like is probably shallower DOF; both it's optical look, and the lower noise that comes with shallower DOF for the same FOV.

Of course, there is also the fact that if you shoot something still with ample light at base ISO, then any DOF and FOV will give less noise typically for FF in Av mode, letting the exposure time fill the larger sensor with charge.

FF is better for certain pursuits, but irrelevant for others. It has nothing to offer for f/22 macro shooting, or focal-length-limited shooting, generically. Individual models, of course, could change that. Canon usually reaches a new level of read noise per unit of sensor area with larger pixels in FF first, then it shows up later in higher pixel densities on crop cameras. Nikon did it immediately, though, with the D500 following the D5. I'd rather have the D500 for bird photography, if I were to shoot Nikon, and do FF with one of the higher-res cameras.

PS: there is also the issue of using the same lens on both formats; the FF resolves more of the image circle, with more potential resolution, but this also means a different FOV. With a very sharp lens, though, the large pixel size still is the main obstacle to resolution with smaller formats.




  
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Sep 08, 2016 10:51 |  #1461

SCMedic wrote in post #18120997 (external link)
For those that ordered through Amazon...

Rep just told me they expect to have it in stock sometime between the 16th and the 24th.

I'm assuming that's if you order it today and not if you ordered when they announced it. Right?!


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Sep 08, 2016 11:01 |  #1462

SixDeeFan wrote in post #18121034 (external link)
Now, now don't be a hater just because the 5dIV has no articulating screen! (Although otherwise similar at three times the cost).

IMO an articulating screen is not appropriate on a pro or semi-pro body. I'd be more hating if it had one than not.




  
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Sep 08, 2016 11:02 |  #1463

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Credit card payments... the tax on the stupid. I got my first credit card as a graduate student in 1987. I've NEVER maintained a credit card balance, except for the ONE time when I forgot to send in my payment on time and got socked a late payment fee. I swore I would never ever do that again. I never make a purchase I can't pay off in 1 month.

The trick is to get that attitude before the debt starts mounting. Debt has a snowball effect; the more you owe, the more likely you are to charge a card to pay for something.

If you love photography, though, you need the best tools. Better to have the tools you need and run your car and clothing into the ground to keep out of debt, IMO. The desire to impress other people with new clothing and cars is one of the biggest obstacle to financial health.

Unfortunately, good camera equipment attracts the attention of people who think you carry it around to impress them. I've literally heard "that's an impressive lens" many times. I say that it looks like a very plain tool to me, and that I wish it was invisible. I only enjoy talking about it with people who also see it as a tool.




  
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Sep 08, 2016 11:05 as a reply to  @ mclaren777's post |  #1464

Was told flat out they wouldn't receive until between the 16th and 24th.


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Sep 08, 2016 11:10 |  #1465

Talley wrote in post #18121018 (external link)
F11... you must have some weird lenses.... the slowest lens I have is F4 and all my other lenses are 1.4, 2 or 2.8 and for some reason I have never been able to understand that F number doo hickey thing. The lenses just shoot at that number they have on the barrell and I thought that was your only option.

I mean doesn't everyone shoot wide open???  :p

I do (and AF always does with camera-controlled f-numbers), but with TCs. Aperture stays the same, but f-number goes up. SNR of subject depends on aperture; AF is dependent on wide-open f-number.

400/4DO II IS with 2x TC is f/8. At 2.8x, it is f/11; no AF.

For me to have the 5D4 completely replace the 7D2, I'd have to be able to AF with the center point at f/11, so I don't lose "pixels on subject". Of course, for BIF, the 5D4 is there, with f/8 outer points compared to the 7D2's f/5.6.




  
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Sep 08, 2016 11:21 |  #1466

No flippy screen for me. It has it's use, but I never need it even shooting the T3i, 60D, 70D or 80D. I just don't need that.

I also know the 5D4 is perfect for me. I really don't want to start any i want this you need that type conversation. I am resting in the calm of enjoyment before receiving my new baby.

I know this.... my excitement level will go through the roof once fedex status shows ready for pickup (I had it held to ensure I get it due to not being home).


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Sep 08, 2016 11:25 |  #1467

SCMedic wrote in post #18121058 (external link)
Was told flat out they wouldn't receive until between the 16th and 24th.


Perhaps the reason for the $200 gift card. Who would buy from Amazon w/tax when you can go to best buy walk out a the exact same price.

Perfection entails existence.

Meanwhile I wait for a shipping confirmation from B&H . . .



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Sep 08, 2016 11:29 |  #1468

clc2112 wrote in post #18121085 (external link)
Perhaps the reason for the $200 gift card. Who would buy from Amazon w/tax when you can go to best buy walk out a the exact same price.

Actually, the 10% cash back with a new Best Buy card sounds like a better deal.




  
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Sep 08, 2016 11:32 |  #1469

clc2112 wrote in post #18121085 (external link)
Perhaps the reason for the $200 gift card. Who would buy from Amazon w/tax when you can go to best buy walk out a the exact same price.

Perfection entails existence.

Meanwhile I wait for a shipping confirmation from B&H . . .

I JUST (15 mins ago) received my email from B&H confirming shipping.

1 day, scheduled delivery date 9/9 :-D


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Sep 08, 2016 11:33 |  #1470

I don't always shoot wide open. More often I'll stop down a bit, wanting more depth of field. (Although I don't own any lenses faster than f/2.8.) The higher ISOs available in today's cameras is helpful in that regard. When I was shooting film the fastest I used was 800.


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