Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18124640
I beat u to it. Did the test on thursday!

do keep up!

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=oWgJSP9BCgU

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=5d52HhnTkgU

I know.. I saw. I just did my own and seemed that I got alot more than you with CF card. Not sure but oh well.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18124637

Sdentrem wrote in post #18124602
..... For ball-park the same money, would you buy the 5D IV or a used 1dx?....

Simon

Well, I did buy a 5D4 vs. 1Dx or 1DxII. Before that I bought a 5D3 vs. 1Dx. As to 5D4 vs. used 1Dx, I certainly like the new features in the 5D4 and feel that for my needs, they outweigh the advantage of faster speeds of the 1Dx.

On similar note, I always dreamed of owning a 1Ds3. The moment the 5D3 was released, it made much more sense to get the 5D3 new for the same price as a used 1Ds3.

My logic on this may not be applicable to you, but it may, so let me explain my thinking.

I grabbed the 5D3 prior to the 7D2 being around, so it was filling many roles for me.

5D3 for me:

- Back up camera (to my 1D4) with ample AF and FPS to shoot most kinds of action. (Compared to ANY previous Canon "non 1D" body)

- 2nd body for Wildlife. Many times when i shoot wildlife I have one body on a long prime, and one on the 100-400mm, or on a wider zoom for closer work. Again, 5D3 to me was "mini 1Ds" full frame, fast enough fps, great AF.

- Smaller. I have always wished for a camera with 1D AF in a smaller lighter body.

- Full Frame, and lots of MP. 5D3 filled many other roles that I have always had to compromise more on, using 1.3X 1D bodies. More MP, Full Frame, etc. 5D3 was perfect for almost all shooting I do hat is not wildlife related. Low light performances and events, etc.

So 5D4 is for me simply replacing that 5D3 do all jack of all trades position. It is not the best camera Canon makes, but paying the cost for a new 1DXII will never be an option for me, just as i have never owned a new 1Ds.

Understand that my opinion is based more on cost and size than performance. I have never shot a 1DxII, so i don't know what I am missing.

Of course now we have some of the check list above being filled by the 7D2. (1D in a small package)

Very helpful. Thx

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18124544
RRS 5D3 L bracket fits 5D4 almost perfectly, with one serious problem that prevents it from being a quick easy solution.

Sadly, the 5D4 battery door hinge side extends further towards center, and ends up slightly under the L bracket bottom. It will not open all the way, or far enough to change batteries

Truly a shame as it is otherwise a perfect fit in every way

The budget minded (aka likely me, we'll see) could easily do some fast filing to bottom of the L bracket to allow full use without an ill effect on function.

It looks to me that the only reason it does not fit is because Canon went out of their way to change some stuff on the battery door to prevent the 5D3 battery grip from fitting as well. It's really a bit of a racket at this level of detail IMHO.

Wow...that's ridiculous (and borderline reprehensible on their part).

Happen to have a photo that would show the difference? Might a small shim between the plate and the battery grip take care of it? One of the few things holding me back from making the upgrade now is the lack of available L-plates, and as an architectural shooter at the height of my busy season, there's just not a whole lot of reason for me to own one without an L-plate (a shame, given how much an improvement in dynamic range can benefit my line of work).

LJ3Jim wrote in post #18124349
Weird. I verified 4 different computers here. 2 had LR/PS installed, the other two had neither. All handled the 1DX2 raw files properly.

I've got LR/PS CC installed as well as, now, ACDSee Ultimate 9. 1DX2 raw's aren't recognized by any of the M$ apps.

There is no RAW Codec for Win 10.

https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/40524​35

saw someone who owns D750 comparing high ISO files to 5DIV...seems like he prefers the 5DIV files apparently due to better colour and higher resolution allowing for more aggressive noise reduction while maintaining detail (which is exactly how i feel about the files myself compared to the 5D3), promising as we all know the D750 sensor is one of the best at the moment, Canon's really done well this time around

basketballfreak6 wrote in post #18124708
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/40524​35

saw someone who owns D750 comparing high ISO files to 5DIV...seems like he prefers the 5DIV files apparently due to better colour and higher resolution allowing for more aggressive noise reduction while maintaining detail (which is exactly how i feel about the files myself compared to the 5D3), promising as we all know the D750 sensor is one of the best at the moment, Canon's really done well this time around

Honestly I've never even looked at the D750... it's a nikon so eh...

5D4 is going to be a huge... massive hit despite all the haterz

Talley wrote in post #18124714
Honestly I've never even looked at the D750... it's a nikon so eh...

5DIV is going to be a huge... massive hit despite all the haterz

i know the D750 sensor is very highly regarded, i've never looked at it otherwise, but yea it's good to know how the 5DIV sensor performs in reference to what's out there in the market

but yea as i said before i think most of the hate are from the minority (but loudest, as usual) people that just look at specs as opposed to actually using their cameras or people that were expecting the 5DIV to be perfect at everything (which is ridiculous considering the market segment it's targeted at)

just look at the number of protogs that's come out saying how excited they are about the 5DIV (nikon protogs included) compared to the keyboard warriors we see on forums :-/

Cathpah wrote in post #18124664
Wow...that's ridiculous (and borderline reprehensible on their part).

Happen to have a photo that would show the difference? Might a small shim between the plate and the battery grip take care of it? One of the few things holding me back from making the upgrade now is the lack of available L-plates, and as an architectural shooter at the height of my busy season, there's just not a whole lot of reason for me to own one without an L-plate (a shame, given how much an improvement in dynamic range can benefit my line of work).

No, the shim would ruin the fit, not improve it. If you don't want to ever open the battery door, the fit is in fact, perfect, like a glove. The curves on the 5D4 base are apparently identical to the 5D3. If Kirk, or other manufacturer happen to make the bottom less than 1 mm shorter than RRS did, it will be a perfect match.

I will end up "hacking" my RRS bracket. Due to some personal belief differences I have with the owner of RRS, I will not ever be sending them any more money.

basketballfreak6 wrote in post #18124732
i know the D750 sensor is very highly regarded, i've never looked at it otherwise, but yea it's good to know how the 5DIV sensor performs in reference to what's out there in the market

but yea as i said before i think most of the hate are from the minority (but loudest, as usual) people that just look at specs as opposed to actually using their cameras or people that were expecting the 5DIV to be perfect at everything (which is ridiculous considering the market segment it's targeted at)

just look at the number of protogs that's come out saying how excited they are about the 5DIV (nikon protogs included) compared to the keyboard warriors we see on forums :-/

One difference is that the D750 is almost half the price of the 5D4. Seriously as a prosumer, if I wasn't so embedded with Canon glass, it wold be a hard pick. The dual pixel focusing definitely plus a plus for Canon so I am really looking foreword to the 6d2 here.

FEChariot wrote in post #18124800
One difference is that the D750 is almost half the price of the 5D4. Seriously as a prosumer, if I wasn't so embedded with Canon glass, it wold be a hard pick. The dual pixel focusing definitely plus a plus for Canon so I am really looking foreword to the 6d2 here.

I'm finding the 4K frame grab useful in the please wife and other kids parents type of non critical kind of way

I put my RRS L-Plate from my 5D II on my new 5d IV. Not even close to a perfect fit, I put a piece of foam to keep the L-Plate from scratching the new camera. I placed an order for a generic L-Plate on Amazon, only $10, hopefully that works better until RRS has theirs ready.

jkokbaker wrote in post #18124813
I put my RRS L-Plate from my 5D II on my new 5d IV. Not even close to a perfect fit, I put a piece of foam to keep the L-Plate from scratching the new camera. I placed an order for a generic L-Plate on Amazon, only $10, hopefully that works better until RRS has theirs ready.

Yeah, 5D2 to 5D3 was a totally different shape to the bottom. No way the 2 will fit the 3 or 4.

So... after two days I've noticed some pretty bad microadjustments needed that are way different than I had with the 5D3.

The 70-200 F4 IS takes a +12... the 200/2 takes a +12... so far the sigma 24 takes a +8 the sigma 50 takes a +12.

almost like the whole body needs it. I didn't notice anything crazy with the 16-35 F4 and I haven't shot the tamron zooms much at all yet. The 120-300 also took a +11 at the 300 side.

I think I'll be signing up for CPS soon and send this body in for a check.

Talley wrote in post #18124841
So... after two days I've noticed some pretty bad microadjustments needed that are way different than I had with the 5D3.

The 70-200 F4 IS takes a +12... the 200/2 takes a +12... so far the sigma 24 takes a +8 the sigma 50 takes a +12.

almost like the whole body needs it. I didn't notice anything crazy with the 16-35 F4 and I haven't shot the tamron zooms much at all yet. The 120-300 also took a +11 at the 300 side.

I think I'll be signing up for CPS soon and send this body in for a check.

In addition to micro adjust for specif lens adjustments, there is a global adjustment you can start with if it seems a trend that is to get the body to a better "zero" .

Hey Talley. I have a question for you that lies somewhere in the realm of the subjective. Every new camera I've ever used produces a distinct kind of sensor-specific 'look' or 'feel' (nothing to do with noise, etc.). It was one of those intangible things that made me fall in love with the 5D3. If you get what I'm saying, how would you characterize the 5D4 vs the 5D3 in terms of that 'feel'. If anyone else wishes to chime in please feel free. Thanks in advance.