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Sep 01, 2016 02:05 |  #1

Interesting club in San Francisco. The day was overcast so I pumped up clarity, contrast and vibrance to compensate. Which is better B&W or Color ... or neither?


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Sep 01, 2016 09:27 |  #2

I prefer the coloured one, although I think there's a bit too much blue. I doubt that the paving stones were that blue.

If it were mine I would have to fix the distortion, the kerb looks level but the rest of it looks as though it's dropping on the right hand side.

I do like that crutch with the ice skate, my kind of sense of humour.




  
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Sep 01, 2016 09:43 |  #3

I like the color one better. Is this on a hill and the street/curb should slope down to the left? The awning and parking meter looked to be skewed about the same. Should those be level and the curb slanted?


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Sep 01, 2016 10:37 |  #4

Ramon-uk wrote in post #18113526 (external link)
I prefer the coloured one, although I think there's a bit too much blue. I doubt that the paving stones were that blue.

If it were mine I would have to fix the distortion, the kerb looks level but the rest of it looks as though it's dropping on the right hand side.

I do like that crutch with the ice skate, my kind of sense of humour.

Thanks Ramon. You're right about the blue and the level. There is a blue X painted or chalked at the parking meter. I warmed the image up a bit.

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I like the color one better. Is this on a hill and the street/curb should slope down to the left? The awning and parking meter looked to be skewed about the same. Should those be level and the curb slanted?

Thanks Sued. You are correct. In editing, I made the curb level; but the street does in fact slope down to the left. I revised it to make the awning level.


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Sep 01, 2016 10:52 |  #5

Much better. I really like this image. It definitely captures attention for a while. I keep looking around at all that funky stuff thinking "oh wait, I missed that before...what is that?". Definitely not something you just glance at and move on.


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Sep 01, 2016 11:23 |  #6

Someday I hope to swing by when it's open and go in to see if the inside is as funky as the outside. I'll bet it'll be a hoot!
EDIT: After the warming, I think it needs some selective darkening. So I darkened the awning, sidewalk, and several bright areas.


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Sep 10, 2016 12:50 |  #7

It still looks a bit off rotation wise (I was going to say level, but thought that might be confusing). Personally I would make sure the rotation was correct using the vertical lines in the door and window frames. I think you might have a little bit of keystoning going on too. I usually try to set the picture level using vertical alignments, rather than horizontal, you are then less likely to be caught out by the occasional perspective differences in horizontal lines.

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Sep 10, 2016 13:00 |  #8

The color version still seems too light overall and the sidewalk too blue, and I would crop the left edge to just barely exclude the orange wall.


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Sep 11, 2016 08:21 |  #9

BigAl007 wrote in post #18123414 (external link)
It still looks a bit off rotation wise (I was going to say level, but thought that might be confusing). Personally I would make sure the rotation was correct using the vertical lines in the door and window frames. I think you might have a little bit of keystoning going on too. I usually try to set the picture level using vertical alignments, rather than horizontal, you are then less likely to be caught out by the occasional perspective differences in horizontal lines.

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Thanks Alan. I revised the rotation as you suggested. I used the left side of the building as the vertical. Then cropped it tight on the left. I'm not seeing the keystoning though.

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The color version still seems too light overall and the sidewalk too blue, and I would crop the left edge to just barely exclude the orange wall.

Thanks OL. I warmed and darkened the lower 2/3, and cropped as you suggested. I think it looks better.


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Sep 11, 2016 11:33 |  #10

Now it's too tight on the walker. Use your clone tool to extend the left side.


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Sep 11, 2016 12:51 |  #11

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Now it's too tight on the walker. Use your clone tool to extend the left side.

Then the storefront will be farther from centered. That'd disturb me more than the lack of space next to the walker. The expanse of blue wall is already more prominent on the left than on the right because more of the right side is covered with prints and whatever.


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Sep 11, 2016 13:26 |  #12

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Then the storefront will be farther from centered. That'd disturb me more than the lack of space next to the walker. The expanse of blue wall is already more prominent on the left than on the right because more of the right side is covered with prints and whatever.

Not necessarily so. Here's what I had in mind(I will remove if OP objects).I also removed the keystoning, I find it quite pleasing.


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Sep 11, 2016 16:13 as a reply to  @ rrblint's post |  #13

Mark, agreed. You added only about 4 mm of width (on my screen). Restoring the original size would have meant an addition of twice that.


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Sep 12, 2016 02:50 |  #14

I hope we're not beating a dead horse here; but I want to incorporate all of the excellent ideas. I had originally cropped out the curb to try for level (which didn't work out so well). So I put the curb back in to give context to the dark rectangle as being a missing paving stone. Then I used Transform tools to stretch the corners to eliminate keystoning and get a level look. I think it is better. Thank you all for great critiques.

rrblint wrote in post #18124259 (external link)
Now it's too tight on the walker. Use your clone tool to extend the left side.

Good idea.

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Then the storefront will be farther from centered. That'd disturb me more than the lack of space next to the walker. The expanse of blue wall is already more prominent on the left than on the right because more of the right side is covered with prints and whatever.

Quite right - thanks. I decided to expand the right side similar to the left.

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Not necessarily so. Here's what I had in mind(I will remove if OP objects).I also removed the keystoning, I find it quite pleasing.

Image editing is always OK with me.
I agree, it is pleasing. Hopefully I got the same look in this edit.


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Sep 12, 2016 07:50 as a reply to  @ Qbx's post |  #15

Now that's got it. Excellent photo!


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