Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18128865
The 1DX2 completely re-engineered the AF indicators vs the rest of the LCD focus display. I think the thought was that this was somehow going to trickle back down to the lesser models.

https://learn.usa.cano​n.com …red_af_illumina​tion.htmlp

I suspect this will remain a 1D series differentiator, due to the complicated and more costly solution it has to combat the issue.

You're probably right.

Dang.

Wonder if they'll ever release a new 1Ds type camera with a higher res sensor. I like that aspect of my 1D Mark II's viewfinder. Oh well, I'll still stick with the 5 series, that's just a bummer.

sourcehill wrote in post #18128825
Why in the holy F did they not have the selected AF point light up? I'm sure a million event shooters have been asking for this. Isn't this Canon's 'event' camera?

Maybe i'm confused, but you can get them to light up - see "VF Display illumination" setting under menu AF > tab 5

ETA: granted it is the whole screen that flashes RED when focus is achieved (unlike the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II which does individual points - which is what I too was hoping for in the 5d4)

I was hoping I could have just my select auto focus point show up and glow red. I can have it show them be all red, not just the selected point.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18128866
What if you hit the magnify button, does it still do what it did before, presuming you configure zoom to start at the AF point at some predetermined zoom level?

Not sure about at the AF point, but for sure at predetermined zoom level. I have mine set to 8x. I think default is 2 or 3x.

sploo wrote in post #18128718
The look should be similar to what you'd get with the lens on a crop body - a lens isn't affected by the sensor that's behind it (i.e. it still projects the same image). I.e. a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on the 5D4 in 4K crop would look like a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on an APS-C body (albeit with just a bit more cropping).

The confusion over the cropping comes from how you calculate it. The 5D4 horizontal resolution is 6720 pixels. UHD is 3840, but DCI 4K is 4096 (see https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/4K_resolution)

The 5D4 records 4K in the latter format, which is a 6720/4096=1.64x crop. If you further crop the video down to UHD width then it's 6720/3840=1.75x crop.

However, some people calculate based on the diagonal resolution, so there are further variations.

Doh!!... yeah as far as my coment on vignette .. i understand how it works but for some reason thought of it the other way around when i posted ..

OK, i understand about the crop factor 1.7 vs 1.6, thanks for the explanation

anyway , as far as video , it is what it is ..whether you are a serious(aspiring) videographer or a video noob,amateur /hobbyist(insert myself here) and are looking for the Full frame look, 4k, video assist tools etc.. and reasonbly portable ( run-n-gun style) ,, and want to stay with canon ,you couldnt help but hope and be excited that canon would take back its place in the video dlsr world , or atleast be a strong 2nd place.... and then be dissapointed ...
but anyway , i'm over it ..
i have no choice , canon obviously has no interest in filling this area in ,, i guess the way they see it is , why bite into their cinema line cameras..if someone wants all that they ll buy a C series camera...
Fortunaly there are other options , mainly from Sony
and from M4/3 (,if you dont have to have FF and are ok with iso capabities)which have lenses that support theier 2X crop

thats the route i went ,, a7sii does Great video .. and still gives me decent stills
and holding on to the 5d3 for now , for when i need better than the a7sii's decent stills

like i said before i'll probably own the 5d4 some time early 2017 for its stills capabilities..
although the way you guys are raving about it , you all might push me to get it sooner than later

sourcehill wrote in post #18128825
AF is super snappy and it seems to drive the lenses harder than my 5d3.

I'm glad someone else has noticed that - I was begininning to think I'd maybe imagined it

planet5D wrote in post #18128873
Maybe i'm confused, but you can get them to light up - see "VF Display illumination" setting under menu AF > tab 5

ETA: granted it is the whole screen that flashes RED when focus is achieved (unlike the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II which does individual points - which is what I too was hoping for in the 5d4)

sourcehill wrote in post #18128876
I was hoping I could have just my select auto focus point show up and glow red. I can have it show them be all red, not just the selected point.

Yea, I'm rather disappointed with the 5D4 in that regard - I was really looking forward to having the locked on AF points light up in AI Servo, but instead you just get this bizarre headache-inducing flashing of the whole viewfinder. I guess it would be mildly useful in low light, but that's more than offset by the fact that it's incredibly annoying!

rantercsr wrote in post #18128913
Doh!!... yeah as far as my coment on vignette .. i understand how it works but for some reason thought of it the other way around when i posted ..

OK, i understand about the crop factor 1.7 vs 1.6, thanks for the explanation

anyway , as far as video , it is what it is ..whether you are a serious(aspiring) videographer or a video noob,amateur /hobbyist(insert myself here) and are looking for the Full frame look, 4k, video assist tools etc.. and reasonbly portable ( run-n-gun style) ,, and want to stay with canon ,you couldnt help but hope and be excited that canon would take back its place in the video dlsr world , or atleast be a strong 2nd place.... and then be dissapointed ...
but anyway , i'm over it ..
i have no choice , canon obviously has no interest in filling this area in ,, i guess the way they see it is , why bite into their cinema line cameras..if someone wants all that they ll buy a C series camera...
Fortunaly there are other options , mainly from Sony
and from M4/3 (,if you dont have to have FF and are ok with iso capabities)which have lenses that support theier 2X crop

thats the route i went ,, a7sii does Great video .. and still gives me decent stills
and holding on to the 5d3 for now , for when i need better than the a7sii's decent stills

like i said before i'll probably own the 5d4 some time early 2017 for its stills capabilities..
although the way you guys are raving about it , you all might push me to get it sooner than later

Whilst it's a shame the 5D4 doesn't scale down the whole sensor, from what I've seen, the models that do (A7Rii and a6300 I think) both suffer from significant heat issues due to the processing required. Maybe there's even hardware in the camera that would be physically capable of doing it, but Canon simply didn't enable it due to reliability worries.

sploo wrote in post #18128994
I'm glad someone else has noticed that - I was begininning to think I'd maybe imagined it

Yea, I'm rather disappointed with the 5D4 in that regard - I was really looking forward to having the locked on AF points light up in AI Servo, but instead you just get this bizarre headache-inducing flashing of the whole viewfinder. I guess it would be mildly useful in low light, but that's more than offset by the fact that it's incredibly annoying!

Whilst it's a shame the 5D4 doesn't scale down the whole sensor, from what I've seen, the models that do (A7Rii and a6300 I think) both suffer from significant heat issues due to the processing required. Maybe there's even hardware in the camera that would be physically capable of doing it, but Canon simply didn't enable it due to reliability worries.

The new grip dissipates heat.

sploo wrote in post #18128994
I'm glad someone else has noticed that - I was begininning to think I'd maybe imagined it

Yea, I'm rather disappointed with the 5D4 in that regard - I was really looking forward to having the locked on AF points light up in AI Servo, but instead you just get this bizarre headache-inducing flashing of the whole viewfinder. I guess it would be mildly useful in low light, but that's more than offset by the fact that it's incredibly annoying!

Whilst it's a shame the 5D4 doesn't scale down the whole sensor, from what I've seen, the models that do (A7Rii and a6300 I think) both suffer from significant heat issues due to the processing required. Maybe there's even hardware in the camera that would be physically capable of doing it, but Canon simply didn't enable it due to reliability worries.

heat issue, definitely a boogieman issue, especially with the firmware updates that have addressed the issue. I recall tests people were doing for overheating by putting the camera outdoors in direct sunlight and recording in super 35 slog2, the highest setting, on like the hottest known areas. I as a person would overheat in the same scenario

also, it remember the overheating was with really long recording sessions, do most people even record like that? I dont know, it just seemed far fetch that I or anyone would record a full 30 minute session in one take. Either way, the actual reports of overheating have been low if not nill in the sony community thread. If it were me, I'de just pick one camera (5DIV/A7sii/A7rii) and stick with it, played with the balancing act of two brands too long, and it just detracts from my photography worrying about issues here, issues there, ect.

sourcehill wrote in post #18128876
I was hoping I could have just my select auto focus point show up and glow red. I can have it show them be all red, not just the selected point.

maybe someone mentioned what happens for AI Servo already, but what happens when you are trying to track focus points in AI servo? On my 5dm3, the AF points would not illuminate, so during low light operations, it would be tough to track the points on the screen. is that still the case with the 5d4?

gossamer88 wrote in post #18128998
The new grip dissipates heat.

I suspect it will simply due to there being more attached mass, but I don't know if it's specifically designed for that.

On that subject, I've just taken delivery of the BG-E20, and my first impressions aren't good. The BG-E11 felt really "right" to me on the 5D3, but the BG-E20 grip feels quite different to that on the 5D4 body. Looking at it I think it's a little shallower (a bit like Nikon bodies that I've experienced). The end result is that my finger tips hit the main body/Canon logo on the grip before I've actually got a good hold of it. It's really not nice to hold.

The positioning of the buttons seems slightly wrong too - the shutter button is further forward than the one on the main body, so the relationship between the various buttons is subtly different between the grip and the body.

The moulding around the shutter and M-Fn buttons is totally different between the grip and body, so have quite a different feel. It looks as though the M-Fn button isn't even the same size.

The sliding on/off switch has been changed to a fiddly rotating affair that needs a thumb and forefinger to operate, and the battery tray looks like something you'd get out of a cheap Christmas cracker (really nasty looking flimsy plastic - I do worry for its longevity).

Oh, and the small (new) button by the joystick doesn't have the texturing like the main body (basically it appears to be a different part). You could understand all those oddities on a third party grip, but this feels like it was designed separately/at a different time to the body.

Very disappointing compared to the previous model.

EDIT: Having measured the grip areas, it's clear the one on the body is wider, and has a steep (almost vertical) fall into the body. The one on the grip is significantly thinner, and has a much more gentle slope - so the combination of the thinner width and curvature means I can't get a decent hold of it. Obviously you can't please everyone (different hand sizes etc) but why on earth would you design the grip to be completely different to the main body!

ilumo wrote in post #18129014
maybe someone mentioned what happens for AI Servo already, but what happens when you are trying to track focus points in AI servo? On my 5dm3, the AF points would not illuminate, so during low light operations, it would be tough to track the points on the screen. is that still the case with the 5d4?

Basically the same, unless you enable illuminated points in AI Servo. When you do that the whole viewfinder (as in everything on it) pulses red/black/red all the time - regardless of whether you're focusing or not. It works - in the sense that you can see the points, but it's really irritating. If there were an option to have it light up permanently that would be great; even better to only light up whilst you had AF engaged.

Still shooting a 7D here. Been waiting for this to jump to FF to help me in light limited scenarios. Is there any reason at all to even ponder the 5D3? I know that will be a jump but for concerts and indoor sports the 5D4 still seems like a tremendous jump. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?


As for video... I don't do video and the potential in the 5D4, though limited, is still enough to get me moving to a dedicated device. I feel like by the time the limitations matter I'd be looking dedicated anyway.

orionz06 wrote in post #18129056
Still shooting a 7D here. Been waiting for this to jump to FF to help me in light limited scenarios. Is there any reason at all to even ponder the 5D3? I know that will be a jump but for concerts and indoor sports the 5D4 still seems like a tremendous jump. Anyone wanna talk me out of it?


As for video... I don't do video and the potential in the 5D4, though limited, is still enough to get me moving to a dedicated device. I feel like by the time the limitations matter I'd be looking dedicated anyway.

Do you mean the original 7D? I went from that body to a 5D3 and it was a revelation in terms of AF and image quality. Even though there are low ISO DR issues on the 5D3 I found the files much more workable than the 7D. The drop in frame rate was a noticeable issue though.

From the 7DII to the 5D3 would be a different ballgame, as that's a much better camera.

less talking more pics please

Took my a7 with the 28mm f2 and 5d4 with the 24-70mm II out this morning. Shot them both at f4.5 @28mm at random textures and distances. Not sure if I need to MFA my 24-70mm again but the Sony is NOTICEABLY sharper across the board. The 5d4 is considerably 'softer' so I'm going to assume it's a lens issue. Stand by while I do more test...

sploo wrote in post #18129071
Do you mean the original 7D? I went from that body to a 5D3 and it was a revelation in terms of AF and image quality. Even though there are low ISO DR issues on the 5D3 I found the files much more workable than the 7D. The drop in frame rate was a noticeable issue though.

From the 7DII to the 5D3 would be a different ballgame, as that's a much better camera.

Original 7D.