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Sep 15, 2016 21:43 |  #2266

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Cfast cards are superior and just like CF cards and SD cards they will come down in price. The issue comes into play with the 21 raw picture buffer. With a cfast card that buffer would have been eliminated. Sure would have been nice to have that option. Its not like the 5d mark 4 is competitively priced compared to the other cameras in its class. It is at a premium price and falls short in areas that you'd think would have been addressed for a camera in the $3500 range. I am a Canon guy and have too much invested in glass to switch now. However personally I am a bit disappointed in a few things. After I rent it that opinion may change.

Use it then comment. It's an amazing camera. Shot sports no different then I usually do and haven't hit the buffer yet but I'm also not a spray and pray type of guy either. NFL... well maybe if your tracking a long play you need it but then if your shooting the NFL get the 1dx. It's basically what canon is telling you/forcing you to do.

One thing to note I got 35 frames using the lexar 1066x CF card AND this is also confirmed by TDP here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx (external link)

Reducing any concerns about the buffer depth: using a Lexar 64GB Professional 1066x UDMA 7 Compact Flash Card (Max. Read/Write Speed: 160/155 MB/s), the 5D Mark IV captured 36 frames in 4.98 seconds to precisely match the rated speed and far exceed the rated buffer depth.


Thats 5 seconds of buffer. I got the same results.


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Sep 15, 2016 21:43 |  #2267

flashpoint99 wrote in post #18129551 (external link)
Cfast cards are superior and just like CF cards and SD cards they will come down in price. The issue comes into play with the 21 raw picture buffer. With a cfast card that buffer would have been eliminated. Sure would have been nice to have that option. Its not like the 5d mark 4 is competitively priced compared to the other cameras in its class. It is at a premium price and falls short in areas that you'd think would have been addressed for a camera in the $3500 range. I am a Canon guy and have too much invested in glass to switch now. However personally I am a bit disappointed in a few things. After I rent it that opinion may change.

The 5D4 is priced at the same exact level as the 5D3, at least in USD prices? What premium price? $3200-3700 has been the price for the the past 4 5D bodies.

The 1D series has always had the larger buffers, if that is important to you, you have to pony up an additional $2K.

If CFast was added to the 5D4, the price would have been $3600. If the full frame was resized down frame by frame for 4K, the price would have been $3800. If the SD slot was UHSII, the price would have $3900. Then we would have to listen to all the whining as to why such a camera wasn't priced at the original 5D3 prices. Like that wouldn't be annoying to listen to.... :)

Don't like the price? Just wait it out, the prices will go down in a few months around Christmas with all the rebates, etc. Patience is a virtue.


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Sep 15, 2016 21:45 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #2268

I am considering that!




  
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Sep 15, 2016 21:51 |  #2269

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The 5D4 is priced at the same exact level as the 5D3, at least in USD prices? What premium price? $3200-3700 has been the price for the the past 4 5D bodies.

The 1D series has always had the larger buffers, if that is important to you, you have to pony up an additional $2K.

If CFast was added to the 5D4, the price would have been $3600. If the full frame was resized down frame by frame for 4K, the price would have been $3800. If the SD slot was UHSII, the price would have $3900. Then we would have to listen to all the whining as to why such a camera wasn't priced at the original 5D3 prices. Like that wouldn't be annoying to listen to.... :)

Don't like the price? Just wait it out, the prices will go down in a few months around Christmas with all the rebates, etc. Patience is a virtue.

It comes at a premium compared to the competition.

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I see no benefit in for those who strobe. Natural light outdoor peeps... sure... people who control their light. eh... no much improvement more than likely. I bet anything they want better AF and the added other features.

Of course. Horses for courses, as they say. It's all about what you want to do and how well or how easily you want to do it.


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Sep 15, 2016 21:55 |  #2270

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It comes at a premium compared to the competition.

Of course. Horses for courses, as they say. It's all about what you want to do and how well or how easily you want to do it.

Many of us don't care about the competition, because we aren't going to change systems. If somebody was considering changing systems, or was just getting into this, then that would matter. If you are invested in Canon, changing over for some savings will quickly get swallowed up with all the other costs. Face it, it is always easy to complain about the prices of things. However none of that matters, the price has been set, and you either pay the premium to get the 5D4 now, or you wait until the sales or the used market catches up.

I want a 5D4, I had a 5D3, 1D4 and sold both, and currently have the 7D2. I can afford the 5D4, I just don't want to pay that price. I will wait it out. I don't feel like complaining about the price, I think it is priced consistently knowing how Canon has priced previous generations.


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Sep 15, 2016 22:02 |  #2271

When compared to other cameras in its class it is indeed at a premium price. So was the 5d mark 3 at the time.




  
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Sep 15, 2016 22:03 |  #2272

I have a lot of good CF cards, that were not an insignificant amount of money. For me personally I am glad it is the same.Same as all the Batteries I have. To have to pony up for both would add a LOT extra for the upgrade. My understanding is that those Cfast cards are quite pricy as they are new.

If you have that real requirement I understand the frustration, but at the same time if you have that genuine requirement I would imagine a 1DXII would be a much better option anyway.




  
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Sep 15, 2016 22:05 |  #2273

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My understanding is that those Cfast cards are quite pricy as they are new.

I think the price has more to do with the low production volume. How many cameras in circulation take them compared to CF or SD? It feels like a niche product which always drives up the price.




  
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Sep 15, 2016 22:07 |  #2274

Willing to pay a premium price as long as I'm getting what I consider a premium item. Every photog has there own idea of what that is. If the boxes you consider important are checked that's great!




  
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Sep 15, 2016 22:10 |  #2275

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Willing to pay a premium price as long as I'm getting what I consider a premium item. Every photog has there own idea of what that is. If the boxes you consider important are checked that's great!

I think you've said you aren't interested in this product 10 different ways. we get it. :p


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Sep 15, 2016 22:10 |  #2276

It sounds like the Canon 5D4 just isn't the camera for you then. I am not sure what the argument is. It sounds like it just doesn't have or do what you need it to at the price point it is at. Perhaps Nikon or Sony or the Fuji systems are more in line with your expectations.

The 5D4 does everything I would need and then some. I shoot primarily sports, and the 5D3 works very well for that, the 5D4 will do even better. Portraiture shoots for senior shots and family portraits would obviously be fine with the 5D4 as well. I am only deciding whether I want a 1DX or the 5D4 at this point. If I find a 5D3 at $1500 or so, I may go back to the 5D3.


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Sep 15, 2016 22:13 as a reply to  @ post 18129546 |  #2277

As someone who crafts a lot of light, I was WISHING for a 1/500th sync speed.


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Sep 15, 2016 22:13 |  #2278

Know what I know?...

The haterz are being weeded out slowly and surely as more people become 5D4 owners. In one year... there will be a WHOLE LOT of 5D4 owners ;)

...and those haterz will be off hating other cameras while we all baste in joy being 5D4 owners ;)


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Sep 15, 2016 22:14 |  #2279

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As someone who crafts a lot of light, I was WISHING for a 1/500th sync speed. Maybe even 1/250th. Nope. I iz sadz.

Go buy the original 1D then ;) Always options lol.

So what are the camera offerings that do 1/500 besides the MF leaf shutter options? Maybe your in the wrong market and need not shoot 35mm but MF?


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Sep 15, 2016 22:19 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #2280

I drool for MF. I just hate that the MF lenses have a life expectancy like a shutter. Who the hell wants to worry about clicks on a lens? Ha.

1/200th is actually plenty. I've run into very few issues with stopping movement because weddings tend to be fairly slow.

I can't wait until I tweak my IV perfect and it becomes my new best friend. We're currently feeling each other out.


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