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Sep 18, 2016 09:08 |  #106

DreDaze wrote in post #18131563 (external link)
you can see here the m5 with adapter and with the 40mm attached compared to the sl1 with just the 40mm
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it's thicker...as i said, aside from the 22f2, there's no other lenses that are faster than f3.5 and have AF...with an SL1, you can add a 40mm f2.8, or a 50mm f1.8...and still be relatively small...that was his point...there are no options for that with the m5

I can see why it's a tad bigger now, that back screen looks like it may have some thickness to it.

The EOS-M has always been a minimal lens system, and I mention to folks they should be well aware of that when you get into it. Canon simply doesnt care enough about that lineup, while other manufacturers, that's their bread and butter. If you're looking for dead simple compliment, then canon can provide that, I think that's canon's strategy anyhow. If you want a DSLR replacement, look elsewhere.


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Sep 18, 2016 13:22 |  #107

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18131480 (external link)
Does the EOS M have 24mm f/2.8 pancake, 40mm pancake, 50mm f/1.8 STM for example?
All of which are as small as what we tend to see on mirrorless.

The issue to me on the pancake lenses are they are only f/2.8, You can get smaller mirrorless lenses with better isolation characteristics just as tiny (or tinier)

They also to me are just too tiny for a SLR body, Most of the bulk is just in the body at that point.

the EF-M system badly needs the pancake lenses. Not the SLRs

and yes, the EF-M systems problem is a severe lack of lenses, Canon appears to be banking on people using DSLR lenses, Which you can adapt to ANY mirrorless on the market


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Sep 18, 2016 15:11 |  #108

KenjiS wrote in post #18131924 (external link)
The issue to me on the pancake lenses are they are only f/2.8, You can get smaller mirrorless lenses with better isolation characteristics just as tiny (or tinier)

They also to me are just too tiny for a SLR body, Most of the bulk is just in the body at that point.

the EF-M system badly needs the pancake lenses. Not the SLRs

and yes, the EF-M systems problem is a severe lack of lenses, Canon appears to be banking on people using DSLR lenses, Which you can adapt to ANY mirrorless on the market

To me the sigma 24 1.4 art or the 16-35 F4 IS make the perfect balance for the 5D4 weight wise. For me around 23-25oz feels great... the sigma 50 is some 30oz and it's on the tad heavier side.

Now... I own lots heavier glass but just commenting on the pancakes being too little... I agree. I need some balance.


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Sep 18, 2016 17:32 |  #109

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18131428 (external link)
The SL1 is completely plastic... so that's really no surprise.

Well, almost. But, yes, primarily plastic. Just like any other recent Rebel - such as the T6i.

The M5, I think, unlike the M3, is also primarily plastic.




  
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Sep 18, 2016 17:37 |  #110

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The M5, I think, unlike the M3, is also primarily plastic.

You sure? That's a bummer. I'd go with Fuji then.


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Sep 18, 2016 17:48 |  #111

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You sure? That's a bummer. I'd go with Fuji then.

I think it has a metal lens mount.

Duh. But that may be it.




  
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Sep 18, 2016 20:43 |  #112

Talley wrote in post #18132037 (external link)
To me the sigma 24 1.4 art or the 16-35 F4 IS make the perfect balance for the 5D4 weight wise. For me around 23-25oz feels great... the sigma 50 is some 30oz and it's on the tad heavier side.

Now... I own lots heavier glass but just commenting on the pancakes being too little... I agree. I need some balance.

Balance is always important...

my 7D is gripped for my 150-600 for example, it also comes in handy for the 100L sometimes (i find it gives a little more stability)

Actually as much as i love the small light weight camera i do find it can be more difficult to stabilize and such, but on the other hand its a lot lighter to carry my GX8 and 2 lenses than the 7D and 1 most of the time


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Sep 19, 2016 04:35 |  #113

DreDaze wrote in post #18130237 (external link)
Which is where the lack of lenses for the m becomes an issue...and has a lot of people talking about using the adapter on the m5

I've never liked adapters. Makes it sound like something isn't good enough to start with.


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Sep 19, 2016 06:31 |  #114

I personally wish that they would take the specs of the M5 and come out with a SL2 for those of us who like the OVF instead of the EVF. No adapter would be necessary and I could use the 24 or 40 pancakes.


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Sep 19, 2016 09:00 |  #115

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I personally wish that they would take the specs of the M5 and come out with a SL2 for those of us who like the OVF instead of the EVF. No adapter would be necessary and I could use the 24 or 40 pancakes.

Agreed and I am sure they will.

And given the fact that the SL2 - if and when it arrives - will weigh less than the M5 (as does the Sl1) and be about the same size - will have DPAF and most or all of the other bells and whistles of the M5, one wonders who will purchase the M5 then.

That being said, I really like what I see of the M5 and, for the time being, I think they will sell a bunch of them. I think I will rent it and check it out.

Still, I want my OVF and I know I will get that on the SL2. It means more to me than the attractive size and weight of the very few M5 lenses currently available. On the SL1, who is going to complain about the size and weight of the 18-135 IS STM (or the new nano USM version) as the walk around or the 55-250 STM as the long zoom or the new 70-300 IS USM nano? All fit (or in the case of the 70-300 will fit) comfortably and balance quite nicely on the SL1/2.




  
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Sep 19, 2016 11:08 |  #116

Does the screen fold up so the display can pack away inside the camera instead of facing out?




  
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Sep 19, 2016 12:29 |  #117

Am i the only one that had a super hard time seeing through the SL1 viewfinder? :(


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Sep 19, 2016 14:04 |  #118

KenjiS wrote in post #18133138 (external link)
Am i the only one that had a super hard time seeing through the SL1 viewfinder? :(

I don't have a real problem seeing through the SL1 OVF, but I do prefer the high-res EVF of my Oly E-M10 Mk II, which is larger and easier on the eye, than both SL1's and 40D OVFs. It's still a lot smaller than OVF of my OM1 and OM10 though :(


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Sep 19, 2016 19:51 |  #119

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I don't have a real problem seeing through the SL1 OVF, but I do prefer the high-res EVF of my Oly E-M10 Mk II, which is larger and easier on the eye, than both SL1's and 40D OVFs. It's still a lot smaller than OVF of my OM1 and OM10 though :(

Good.. i admitedly have a very hard time seeing through viewfinders in general. The a6000 and GX7 for instance were hard for me to see through, and most lower end consumer SLRs are difficult as well.. my 7D obviously is no issue...

Its something with my peripheral vision and such, a large eyecup really helps matters (See the old Canon ED-E..or my GX8's DWM-EC3)


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Sep 19, 2016 23:19 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #120

Are you putting your eye right up against the viewfinder, or a solid 6 inches behind it like you're supposed to...


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