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Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

 
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Sep 23, 2016 12:53 |  #2941

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So, your saying that gear matters? :):)

Only to my wallet :P


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Sep 23, 2016 12:59 |  #2942

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Yes, I do need help with this. The promotional stuff I have seen on the 5D IV indicate something like a black tuxedo will not look totally black (or blotched) when photographed next to a white wedding gown, but will show more detail. I am a novice, but this is something I have encountered and thought it was related to dynamic range. Is it possibly the Mark IV's improved metering automatically fixes this?

I am very willing to work with the camera. I usually shoot in manual mode and experiment. However, I really work a lot and don't have near the time to spend with this hobby as I would like to.

Hmmm that is interesting, perhaps a couple of our resident raw/data experts can chime in here. At face value, I am not sure what they are trying to describe. It is very possible that black tuxes, depending on the exposure, may have blotchy colors as you pull them up a bit with the older cameras, but now, you should be able to see more detail and less noise.

Do you have a link to the promotional items that talk about this, it might make for interesting reading. :)


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Sep 23, 2016 13:05 |  #2943

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I am guessing you meant to word that... Differently.

Same here. "Her last Christmas" and "her, last Christmas" are two completely different phrases.




  
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Sep 23, 2016 13:12 |  #2944

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Sep 23, 2016 13:16 |  #2945

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Sep 23, 2016 13:19 |  #2946

Talley wrote in post #18137236 (external link)
Then we can add that card to the list of fast cards

Never mind, I tried again and it failed after a few seconds. Maybe it was a different card the first time.


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Sep 23, 2016 13:29 |  #2947

gabebalazs wrote in post #18137907 (external link)
Never mind, I tried again and it failed after a few seconds. Maybe it was a different card the first time.

I've done a bit of looking around and maybe at one point there was more UHS-1 options that met the spec needed to work fast on the 5D4 but looks like now there are only two options.


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Sep 23, 2016 13:52 |  #2948

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I messed with DotTune as well last weekend, and I dont know if it was just me screwing it up or what, but I felt like the points that were supposed to be good, didnt give me the best focus...I'll have to keep playing with it

I haven't found dot-tuning to work for me. It ruined my first couple of days with my newest lens. I think the difference between the shape of back-focus and front-focus bokeh makes it impossible to just assume that something smack in the middle of the non-blinking range or even 40% into it or 60% into it is optimum for all lenses.




  
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Sep 23, 2016 13:55 |  #2949

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18137893 (external link)
Do you have a link to the promotional items that talk about this, it might make for interesting reading. :)

I can't find it. My goodness! There is so much out there just within the past two weeks! Is it marketing hype, or is this really a much better camera?

I think I might be talking about shadow recovery, but I'm not sure.

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Sep 23, 2016 13:57 |  #2950

manderson wrote in post #18137943 (external link)
I can't find it. My goodness! There is so much out there just within the past two weeks! Is it marketing hype, or is this really a much better camera?

I think I might be talking about shadow recovery, but I'm not sure.

Thanks for your help.

It's much better.


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Sep 23, 2016 14:02 |  #2951

John Sheehy wrote in post #18137805 (external link)
What we need is a "soft manual" auto-ISO exposure mode. You set the target shutter speed and f-number, just like traditional manual, but the shutter speed and f-number can alter, based on user-supplied rules, when the lighting can cause issues.

Allowing the shutter speed to drop in very low light is OK, because the ISO is so high that pixel-level details are hopeless, anyway. Up to a point, sharpness trumps noise but at some point, sharpness becomes hopeless and a small amount of blur with a reduction in noise is tolerable. Same for the f-number with a lens that is sharpest stopped down a bit; you can allow the lens to open up to slow down the increase in ISO at a point where appreciating stopped-down sharpness is prevented by noise.

The big one for me is allowing the shutter speed to increase when light is too bright for base ISO or a user-set minimum ISO. I get burned sometimes when I find a relatively sluggish subject in the shade and drop the shutter speed, and then find my next subject in the sun, and my settings are for and ISO 12 exposure in the sun, and the shot is seriously blown.

Agreed on the need for "soft manual" auto-ISO exposure mode, if I understand your description and issues correctly. Instead of using auto ISO I have set button + main dial to adjust ISO setting in manual, which is almost as easy and gives me more control over shutter speed & aperture. I've also just discovered that in M mode with auto-ISO set you can lock in ISO setting with the * button. While this requires more brain power than I'd like when shooting 5-6fps, at least we have options.




  
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Sep 23, 2016 14:07 |  #2952

John Sheehy wrote in post #18137827 (external link)
Have you been using HTP? Most of the warnings about HTP (I was one of the first people to say negative things about it), apply to low ISOs, especially with bodies with low measured DR and significant banding and other noises that happen after analog ISO gain is applied. At high ISOs and with more ISO-invariant cameras, the downsides of HTP are small or non-existent. I always use HTP with auto-ISO on my 7D2 and 6D when light is limited.

No, I never have. Thanks John I'm now eager to give it a try after reading a couple of articles on it. Since I shoot RAW I'm one of those nuts that turns off everything in the camera that can potentially alter an image. I may need to seek counseling to overcome my need for absolute control!




  
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Sep 23, 2016 14:25 |  #2953

manderson wrote in post #18137943 (external link)
I can't find it. My goodness! There is so much out there just within the past two weeks! Is it marketing hype, or is this really a much better camera?

I think I might be talking about shadow recovery, but I'm not sure.

Thanks for your help.

I read the same article, with photo examples, and I can't find it either. It was discussing shadow recovery in situations common at weddings, where there is a compromise to ideal exposure when challenged with a tuxedo and a white wedding dress in the same photo. It was a pretty good read, although I believe it was one of the more negative reviews at the time (a week or so ago).




  
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Sep 23, 2016 14:26 |  #2954

Mike wrote in post #18137786 (external link)
I pestered them and was far too impatient ha ha! I also managed to reserve one a couple of days ago because their website shows awaiting stock so that was lucky!

I've got mine reserved too so I know they'll send it the moment they've done the business with my 5D3. The £200 is a nice incentive to trade.


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Sep 23, 2016 14:29 |  #2955

manderson wrote in post #18137943 (external link)
I can't find it. My goodness! There is so much out there just within the past two weeks! Is it marketing hype, or is this really a much better camera?

I think I might be talking about shadow recovery, but I'm not sure.

Thanks for your help.

It is a much better camera. Before the 5D4 was announced the biggest thing that I thought would make it a worthy upgrade from the 5D3 was the customization/firmware style of the 7D2. Well, we have that and more in the 5D4. I'm not one for revealing everything in the shadows but my tests are showing that it is far more capable in that arena than the 5D3 and the ISO is superior as well. Add to that the touch screen and other features and we have a real winner on our hands. Hey. It also has excellent weather sealing. Less potential for me to turn another Sony into a paperweight.


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