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300 f4 L IS vs. Tamron/Sigma 150-600mm vs. 400mm 5.6 L

 
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Sep 29, 2016 16:49 |  #1

Thread title says it all. I'm looking for something long on a budget. My longest lens is currently a 135mm f2.

While I'd love a 100-400 ii, or a 120-300mm, I'm trying to keep this to a maximum budget of $1500 canadian.

Mostly for a bit of wildlife, but a bonus if I can work it into my wedding work.

As of right now it looks like the 300mm f4 is going to be it, thoughts?


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Sep 29, 2016 17:18 |  #2

on the 120-300, have you tried looking at used copies of the non-Sport OS lens? I would expect them to be in that region. 300mm is a good step over 135mm but for birds and other wildlife you're a good distance from it's not all that much. Tele converters can help with this though.


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Sep 30, 2016 19:03 |  #3

On a budget, I am all for the 400/5.6... but definitely not for weddings.


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Sep 30, 2016 19:14 |  #4

I'm not seeing much use for weddings for any of these,

Two years ago I would be all about the two Canon primes, with the 400mm being the go to for tracking fast moving birds in flight, and the longer lens just being the better choice for birds in general.

However, the SIGMA 150-600mm C is such a good lens with so much flexibility and range, the only reason IMHO NOT to get it is;

A- Weight is a concern
B- You are looking for birds in flight as the primary subject matter.

If none of the above applies, and you are instead looking for something less specific, the 150-600mm are the place to look IMHO.


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Sep 30, 2016 20:41 |  #5

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18144937 (external link)
I'm not seeing much use for weddings for any of these,

Two years ago I would be all about the two Canon primes, with the 400mm being the go to for tracking fast moving birds in flight, and the longer lens just being the better choice for birds in general.

However, the SIGMA 150-600mm C is such a good lens with so much flexibility and range, the only reason IMHO NOT to get it is;

A- Weight is a concern
B- You are looking for birds in flight as the primary subject matter.

If none of the above applies, and you are instead looking for something less specific, the 150-600mm are the place to look IMHO.

2nd-ed.


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Sep 30, 2016 21:05 |  #6

I might be in the minority but I noticed that you have a crop body. You can look at one of the 70-200F4L IS variants, which with the crop factor has same FOV as of 320mm. That's pretty long and with careful planning you can score some wildlife shots.

It might be not be so great for your wedding work but its also a great portrait lens and you can push the ISO to get some decent wedding shots.

The IQ of 300 F4L IS isn't something to write home about. 400 is tack sharp but lacks IS.

150-600 variants are good options for wildlife but are bulky, heavy and not ideal for wedding work.

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Sep 30, 2016 21:21 |  #7

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Thread title says it all. I'm looking for something long on a budget. My longest lens is currently a 135mm f2.

While I'd love a 100-400 ii, or a 120-300mm, I'm trying to keep this to a maximum budget of $1500 canadian.

Mostly for a bit of wildlife, but a bonus if I can work it into my wedding work.

As of right now it looks like the 300mm f4 is going to be it, thoughts?

Heya,

I started with a 150-600 both on APS-C, APS-H and Full Frame.

I most commonly now use a 300 F4L IS on an APS-C and Full Frame.

It's a very personal preference for the user. It's not universal. It really depends on what wildlife you're targeting, how close you can get, the look you want, etc.

I bird and shoot in very low light, so 300 F4L IS on a monopod for me is ideal, and great hand held. The image quality is great and the IS is useful even if it's older tech. You can get this lens for fairly cheap these days 2nd hand. I got mine for $550 USD from KEH.com.

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Oct 01, 2016 04:56 |  #8

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2nd-ed.

Add my vote for the Sigma 150-600 C. If you are after moving subjects that will require panning and low shutter speeds I would stay away from the Tamron, as the VC has to be off when panning, or the results will be spectacularly bad. At least the Tamron firmware update auto turns off the VC in that situation now. The new Tamron version 2 does have a true panning mode like the Sigma.

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Oct 02, 2016 09:27 |  #9

I went into left field and bought and old Tokina 400mm f5.6 ATX SD for about $350 USD, it shows up tomorrow. Hopefully that'll keep me busy until I save up for a 120-300...


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Oct 02, 2016 09:41 |  #10

rebelsimon wrote in post #18146082 (external link)
I went into left field and bought and old Tokina 400mm f5.6 ATX SD for about $350 USD, it shows up tomorrow. Hopefully that'll keep me busy until I save up for a 120-300...

If I remember correctly, you may be stuck at wide-open with that lens. Even if it is true, I wouldn't find that much of a hindrance.




  
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Oct 02, 2016 12:14 |  #11

No, but the dog slow Tokina auto focus will.

What happened to Tokina?

Tamron finally made a "USM" equivalent AF motor, and it's offerings have skyrocketed in popularity. Tokina,.. chirp chirp..


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Oct 02, 2016 12:34 |  #12

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18146232 (external link)
No, but the dog slow Tokina auto focus will.

What happened to Tokina?

Tamron finally made a "USM" equivalent AF motor, and it's offerings have skyrocketed in popularity. Tokina,.. chirp chirp..

I don't know about AF, but Tokina used to make some killer zooms back when 'zoom' meant 'crap'. I used two Vivitar Series 1 lenses made by Tokina (28-105, & 70-210 f/3.5), in C/Y mount. Both were good beyond their cost. Of course, I couldn't pixel-peep in the days before digital cameras and personal computers.




  
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Oct 02, 2016 12:50 |  #13

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18146232 (external link)
No, but the dog slow Tokina auto focus will.

What happened to Tokina?

Tamron finally made a "USM" equivalent AF motor, and it's offerings have skyrocketed in popularity. Tokina,.. chirp chirp..

Yea Tokina seems to have taken a breather from telephotos. They used to product one of the most sought after telephoto primes (300 F2.8 flavor), but they really have taken a nap in that area.

Instead, they're pushing lots of ultrawide, wide and standard zooms that are fast aperture and constant aperture. None of which need top shelf performance autofocus. This to me says they're selling more into cinema than they are action photography.

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Oct 02, 2016 19:11 |  #14

Their recent 70-200/4 has their ring type ultra sonic AF motor (the S on the end of VCM-S) . I can't see anything with a quick check on their website which indicates that anything else has this motor (their more recent press releases all refer to the clutch AF setup


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Oct 03, 2016 07:54 |  #15

smythie wrote in post #18146572 (external link)
Their recent 70-200/4 has their ring type ultra sonic AF motor (the S on the end of VCM-S) . I can't see anything with a quick check on their website which indicates that anything else has this motor (their more recent press releases all refer to the clutch AF setup

I have to say this blows my mind. They released the 11-20/2.8 and 14-20/2.0 with the crap AF/MF clutch long after they put out their 70-200/4. What were they thinking? Or does thier new drive have crap reliability?

But to the topic, I am thinking about maybe adding the 300/4 IS to my kit, but I am going to wait for the new Tamron G2 reviews before acting. If I don't like the reviews, I'll wait for the better December rebates from Canon and make a move then.


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