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Oct 06, 2016 23:53 |  #3721

Have read numerous posts from here and other sites claiming that pocket wizards do not work on the 5d mark 4. Has anyone been able to use their pocket wizards with success?




  
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Oct 07, 2016 00:57 |  #3722

Recommendations for CF and SD cards, folks?
64-128GB is fine for me.


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Oct 07, 2016 01:00 |  #3723

Talley swears by this one:

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Oct 07, 2016 02:03 |  #3724

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18150205 (external link)
Weight difference and size is a bit noticeable. I keep the canon for work gigs as its faster then the a7r2.

If the A9 becomes amazing, it could replace my 5d4

Watch this space

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Oct 07, 2016 02:05 |  #3725

AdamJL wrote in post #18150510 (external link)
Recommendations for CF and SD cards, folks?
64-128GB is fine for me.

Number of pictures you take, this: https://www.amazon.com …psc=1&smid=A2CC​GIBUWSRMSM (external link)

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Oct 07, 2016 02:20 |  #3726

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18149898 (external link)
Very much worth the upgrade.

Most Obvious Likes:

- The big surprise is the AF system, which sharing the AF of it's big brother the 1Dx2, is superior in many ways to anything else out there! Makes all my lenses AF faster and seem more accurate.

- Part of that AF improvement is full use of AF system @ F/8 and NO perceivable slow down in AF when T-Cons are added!!!

- The DR and noise handling improvements are fantastic, and frankly I was a little surprised to be impressed by what 50% more pixels can do.

- The menu system and customization are also amazing.

- Touch screen is very helpful.

- Built in WiFi and GPS

Most Obvious Dislikes:

- Reduced battery life vs. 5D3 and even 7D2 from what I can tell.

- I like the AF Area controller on the 7D2 much better, Much easier to get to when you are looking through the viewfinder on the 7D2.

Obviously Jake has never used a full frame Sony mirrorless, 120shots on full charge and that is without GPS, Wifi, NFC or big white IS! :)

For me battery life is OK, not 1Dx great (i.e. 2000 shots, but I did not expect that from a smaller battery). Not sure about the Wifi, cannot seem to AF in the application when shooting stills through my phone. Video works.

Low ISO DR is great, not Sony great but way better than any Canon and noise is well controlled considering the jump in resolution.


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Oct 07, 2016 03:14 |  #3727

Talley wrote in post #18150288 (external link)
If it doesn't work you should poop on the camera. Then you could be the first guy to say he pooped on a 5d4

I'm an open minded kinda guy, but I don't fancy seeing if it's sealed against that :mrgreen:. Though as a parent of a toddler I've been covered in just about every substance imaginable over the last couple of years.

Talley wrote in post #18150357 (external link)
I haven't checked mine... but you make me scared to check mine lol :eek:

It would be *very* obvious. If you took a wide open (e.g. f/2.8) portrait shot around 70mm at 1.5-3.5m camera-to-subject distance, where the subject was under a left sided cross type point the plane of focus would be 7-9cm (3+ inches) in front of the target. I.e. just from general shooting you'd probably realise you had a problem.

This is why I'm scratching my head, as I've never noticed that problem on the 5D3. I suppose it's possible that some combination of factors could make a lens do that, but the 70-200II was previously calibrated by the service centre - and both lenses will produce razor sharp images.

AdamJL wrote in post #18150510 (external link)
Recommendations for CF and SD cards, folks?
64-128GB is fine for me.

Yep - and avoid the UHS-II cards; many (maybe even most today) have a UHS-I fallback mode that is only the slower of the two UHS-I interface speeds (i.e. ~50MB/s rather than ~100MB/s); thus that ~280MB/s UHS-II card will be slower than a ~95MB/s UHS-I card in a UHS-I device.

For CF cards, I've always like the Lexar models. Their 1066x is very good.


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Oct 07, 2016 07:22 |  #3728

Just come back from a wet hour with some squirrels. It was quite dark, ISO2000 at f4, 1/200 sec. But not so dark as to worry me. But, I have noticed a problem, I think mostly with the top and bottom most middle AF points. They struggle. Either not focusing at all or juddering the focus about, slowly, nothing too erratic. No it is not minimum focus distance either. This really is bad.

AF point, spot, on the nuts. I would be unsurprised if it focussed on the moss the nuts are on, but it would not focus there. This posed a problem for all but the center point.

Move down to the lettering, focus no problem. This does not speak volumes for -3 or -4 ev focussing. Infact it could be a deal breaker.


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Oct 07, 2016 07:30 |  #3729

AdamJL wrote in post #18150510 (external link)
Recommendations for CF and SD cards, folks?
64-128GB is fine for me.

I just bought 2 64gb Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC cards (like the ones Talley recommends just smaller capacity). They were $34.70 each. They do 4K with no problem.

I also have a few Lexar CF cards, the 1066x ones (160MB/s). Obviously they work great too. Couple weeks ago bought some more, 64GB versions for $57 each.
I always record to multiple cards at weddings so I needed both formats. But for casual use the SDXC alone is great and fairly cheap.


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Oct 07, 2016 07:46 |  #3730

Neilyb wrote in post #18150644 (external link)
Just come back from a wet hour with some squirrels. It was quite dark, ISO2000 at f4, 1/200 sec. But not so dark as to worry me. But, I have noticed a problem, I think mostly with the top and bottom most middle AF points. They struggle. Either not focusing at all or juddering the focus about, slowly, nothing too erratic. No it is not minimum focus distance either. This really is bad.

AF point, spot, on the nuts. I would be unsurprised if it focussed on the moss the nuts are on, but it would not focus there. This posed a problem for all but the center point.

Move down to the lettering, focus no problem. This does not speak volumes for -3 or -4 ev focussing. Infact it could be a deal breaker.
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If the other five centre focus points worked fine but just not the top and bottom most ones then that would be right as only the middle face of the seven centre AF points are the EV-3 sensitive ones from what I am reading in the manual.


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Oct 07, 2016 08:11 |  #3731

graham121 wrote in post #18150660 (external link)
If the other five centre focus points worked fine but just not the top and bottom most ones then that would be right as only the middle face of the seven centre AF points are the EV-3 sensitive ones from what I am reading in the manual.

You mean the middle column of points? Then these should all have worked, they did not. On top of that I cannot measure the exact light levels but it was not THAT dark.

http://media.the-digital-picture.com …rk-IV-AF-Point-Layout.png (external link)

Seems it maybe only 5 dual cross points. I imagine these are the -3EV points? Image courtesy of The Digital Picture.com
Maybe -3EV is only in one shot mode?


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Oct 07, 2016 08:19 |  #3732

Neilyb wrote in post #18150670 (external link)
You mean the middle column of points? Then these should all have worked, they did not. On top of that I cannot measure the exact light levels but it was not THAT dark.

http://media.the-digital-picture.com …rk-IV-AF-Point-Layout.png (external link)

Seems it maybe only 5 dual cross points. I imagine these are the -3EV points? Image courtesy of The Digital Picture.com
Maybe -3EV is only in one shot mode?

I thought it was only the very centre point that can AF down to -3EV? This article http://www.canon.com.h​k …_Reticular_AF_S​ensor.html (external link) (5D3 and 1Dx Mark I era) indicates the -2 EV capability was on the centre point only.

Exactly that the other points can do I don't know.


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Oct 07, 2016 08:25 |  #3733

sploo wrote in post #18150676 (external link)
I thought it was only the very centre point that can AF down to -3EV? This article http://www.canon.com.h​k …_Reticular_AF_S​ensor.html (external link) (5D3 and 1Dx Mark I era) indicates the -2 EV capability was on the centre point only.

Exactly that the other points can do I don't know.

Well I have shot the 1Dx in far darker situations with less contrast (dark subjects too) and not ever had a problem with any point to be honest which is why I am so surprised that this is happening. More surprising is that I am using the bare lens. With a TC I might forgive some indecision on the AF's part.


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Oct 07, 2016 08:32 |  #3734

Neilyb wrote in post #18150670 (external link)
You mean the middle column of points? Then these should all have worked, they did not. On top of that I cannot measure the exact light levels but it was not THAT dark.

http://media.the-digital-picture.com …rk-IV-AF-Point-Layout.png (external link)

Seems it maybe only 5 dual cross points. I imagine these are the -3EV points? Image courtesy of The Digital Picture.com
Maybe -3EV is only in one shot mode?

Yes. That appears to be it....Page 578 of my printed manual states 'Focusing Brightness Range EV-3 - 18 (Conditions: f2.8 sensitive centre AF point One Shot AF Room Temperture ISO 100').


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Oct 07, 2016 08:36 |  #3735

All I know is live view can focus in some VERY dark places.... like literally you have zero focusing issues moving to live view. So powerful.

Makes me want to run out and buy a A7rII.... but then I realize that Canon is the best so I throw that idea away :)


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