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Oct 13, 2016 02:14 |  #2026

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^^ Nice shots. Two commenst:

1. Dress needs to match the surroundings
2. Loose the trees. Don't know why people still use them as props

The person who posted after you, who quoted your comment about the dress, must not notice how the black dress just doesn't jive, especially with the dark bench.

You have an interesting point about trees.

I notice them a lot because I'm an arborist. My biggest issue with trees, is if I want to use lighting. Lighting removes the natural shadows in bark that come from light that should spill down from above. So more and more I'm trying to avoid people next to tree trunks or do something different that does not light the bark.

So my thoughts are use them or avoid them. Just depends.


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Oct 13, 2016 10:41 |  #2027

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The person who posted after you, who quoted your comment about the dress, must not notice how the black dress just doesn't jive, especially with the dark bench.


I'm the person who asked about the meaning of the "dress needs to match the surroundings".

Please explain why the black dress "just doesn't jive" in that picture. The "dark bench" is dark gray. The BG is mostly green. What color should the photographer have told the young lady to wear to the shoot?


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Oct 13, 2016 10:56 |  #2028

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I'm the person who asked about the meaning of the "dress needs to match the surroundings".

Please explain why the black dress "just doesn't jive" in that picture. The "dark bench" is dark gray. The BG is mostly green. What color should the photographer have told the young lady to wear to the shoot?

Personally, when lit properly as it is in the image in question, IMO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the black dress. Yes another color would have provided more contrast, but the young lady chose to wear a black dress that she obviously liked, and the photog went with it. Unless it's a super high paying magazine/fashion session, it's ludicrous to expect a photog to control every minor detail down to the color of apparel, again JMO, but what do I know?




  
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Oct 13, 2016 11:47 |  #2029

I always encourage them to wear whatever makes them feel great and special; it is their day after all. I do like to see their "outfit" before hand and try to determine a good location/background to go with those colors and personalities.

I love black on female as that make them look thinner...they know that too :-)

Btw, the black shirt/blouse on the bench looks fine to me...I think we are talking about the same image.




  
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Oct 13, 2016 12:19 |  #2030

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Personally, when lit properly as it is in the image in question, IMO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the black dress. Yes another color would have provided more contrast, but the young lady chose to wear a black dress that she obviously liked, and the photog went with it. Unless it's a super high paying magazine/fashion session, it's ludicrous to expect a photog to control every minor detail down to the color of apparel, again JMO, but what do I know?

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I always encourage them to wear whatever makes them feel great and special; it is their day after all. I do like to see their "outfit" before hand and try to determine a good location/background to go with those colors and personalities.

I love black on female as that make them look thinner...they know that too :-)

Btw, the black shirt/blouse on the bench looks fine to me...I think we are talking about the same image.


I totally agree. That's why I asked my initial question. I don't understand the "dress matching concept" OR "the black dress just doesn't jive" idea. I think she looks terrific, and the shot is flattering to her. She obviously knows what works for her.


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Oct 13, 2016 20:27 as a reply to  @ post 18155590 |  #2031

The black dress that she is wearing doesn't go well with green trees, grass and the park back ground. Same shot in a cityscape or some nice building as bg would work much better. I don't care it is their day, I am the one taking the pictures and I control what looks the best, be it the lighting, the pose, the location and yes the dress. Now if all they have is one dress, then so be it but if you have a choice please select the dress which works with rest of the stuff. Just my 2 cents. That is all I am saying.


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Oct 14, 2016 06:55 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #2032

You may be the one taking the pictures but she's the one paying your wages! It's one thing to recommend, it's another to demand....




  
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Oct 14, 2016 08:20 |  #2033

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The black dress that she is wearing doesn't go well with green trees, grass and the park back ground. Same shot in a cityscape or some nice building as bg would work much better. I don't care it is their day, I am the one taking the pictures and I control what looks the best, be it the lighting, the pose, the location and yes the dress. Now if all they have is one dress, then so be it but if you have a choice please select the dress which works with rest of the stuff. Just my 2 cents. That is all I am saying.

With all due respect bobbyz, we are paid to photograph, advise and lead, not play God. And "the black dress that she is wearing doesn't go well with green trees, grass and the park back ground" OPINION is nothing more than personal taste or style. The OP captured a good image, one that I'm sure the client was happy with, which at the end of the day, is all that matters. You are a fantastic photographer, but I respectfully disagree with you on this one. Since coming back to the forums here, I've read many of your "responses", and I would really like to see more "advice" from great photographers like yourself, more so than interjecting the SUBJECTIVE, personality based choices. Maybe it's just the way the keyboard "sounds". Maybe that is your advice. If so, I apologize, it just seems condescending most of the time.




  
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Oct 14, 2016 09:42 |  #2034

Thank you guys! Here are 2 more of Calista.

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Oct 14, 2016 09:49 |  #2035

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Thank you guys! Here are 2 more of Calista.

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Lisa, both of these are great! IMO. But the second one is "off the chain"! Love it!




  
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Oct 14, 2016 10:53 |  #2036

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Maybe it's just the way the keyboard "sounds". Maybe that is your advice. If so, I apologize, it just seems condescending most of the time.

Me, sorry, I wouldn't say anything and hang in this thread anymore. Good luck.


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Oct 14, 2016 12:52 as a reply to  @ LisaJH's post |  #2037

Wow...been enjoying your pics of your daughter for ages...she's growing up to be a beautiful young lady who takes awesome photos...you have to be proud.




  
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Oct 14, 2016 14:21 |  #2038

Here's one from a very quick mini senior session.

She's standing in a driveway with scrap corrugated steel leaned on the garage door behind her. Lighting is a single Einstein and softbox.

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Oct 14, 2016 15:09 as a reply to  @ scobols's post |  #2039

Good background idea.


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Oct 17, 2016 01:25 |  #2040

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Great work, Kristen!!! Two hours...efficient use of time!!! I would imagine that the mother and daughter being prepared with props and wardrobe was a big help in this particular shoot being as you have such a varied assortment of images/dress... ?

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This one was actually closer to 3 hours because our timing was off (due to some traveling.) Typically, I limit the wardrobe changes to 3 in total, but I gave some leeway this time because they are good friends of ours. But, yes, they had everything fully prepared -- down to the stickers on the suitcase! Made my job SO easy. :)

It may not be practical for others. But to prepare for a transition from tree care to photography, I bought a medium roof Ford Transit van, and can cover all the windows, provide seating and hanging hooks.

In essence, it provides a clean, private changing room that can move site to site. I could literally pull off 5 outfits in 2 hours if need be. Due to all the space the van has, I don't even have to disassemble a softbox, although, usually it's just an umbrella, reflector or bare flash.


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