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New MacBook Pro - Major Departure?

 
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Oct 28, 2016 10:42 |  #16

I recently bought a Dell XPS 15 with the quad-core Skylake i7, 4K UHD screen, 256GB PCIe SSD, GeForce GTX960M GPU and 16GB RAM. With discounts and everything, I was out the door at just over $1,700.
Exact config here: http://www.dell.com …15-9550-laptop/dncwx1634h (external link)

I was still curious about the new MBP, though (still within my 30-day return window with Dell), and finally got all the details yesterday. It turns out a comparably equipped MBP would run north of $900 more (including tax and the other dongles/adapters I'd need). I think the total was around $2,600. That's for a 15-inch screen, the quad-core Skylake i7, 256GB SSD, Radeon Pro 450 GPU and 16GB RAM.

I'm not a fanboy for either company. I've owned both Windows and Mac machines and was genuinely considering the MBP. But I just don't know how to justify that much extra cost. So Apple has lost me as a potential customer (for now). We'll see what the refurb market looks like next year though.

Also, for the record, I've been running on Windows machines for 15 years and have never had a virus or catastrophic data loss. I think it's an easily avoidable issue caused by people carelessly clicking every link they see pop up on the screen. Kinda like cars...people don't take the time to learn about them and maintain them, and then they complain when things break that wouldn't have with proper maintenance. Anyways.


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Oct 28, 2016 11:10 as a reply to  @ grazamataz's post |  #17

I agree that entry cost is a big factor but one has to consider the long-term as well. As I mentioned in my earlier post I have a 2009 iMac still up and running everything it did on day 1. Lightroom, PS, etc. Never spent a cent on upgrades or replacement. My OS upgrades were done for free and this, without ever doing a fresh re-install. PCs? Well, I don't have an unmodified 2009 model that will run the most current Win OS and all the time I had to muck about with PCs while my Mac ran flawlessly is certainly worth something. Lastly, late 2009 iMacs still sell on local classifieds for 400-450$ Canadian - about 20% of the entry cost. I don't see people recuperating nearly that much from 8 year old PCs.


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Oct 28, 2016 11:51 |  #18

nqjudo wrote in post #18169517 (external link)
I agree that entry cost is a big factor but one has to consider the long-term as well. As I mentioned in my earlier post I have a 2009 iMac still up and running everything it did on day 1. Lightroom, PS, etc. Never spent a cent on upgrades or replacement. My OS upgrades were done for free and this, without ever doing a fresh re-install. PCs? Well, I don't have an unmodified 2009 model that will run the most current Win OS and all the time I had to muck about with PCs while my Mac ran flawlessly is certainly worth something. Lastly, late 2009 iMacs still sell on local classifieds for 400-450$ Canadian - about 20% of the entry cost. I don't see people recuperating nearly that much from 8 year old PCs.

I don't keep main worksystems that long, generally. The hyperthreaded i7 in my late 2012 build (3770k) is the exception as I see it having a few more years left in it.

I have however had 8 year old laptops running just fine with Win 7, so it's sort of a moot point. Old macs and old windows pcs, both maintained, are equally fast or slow, however you want to look at it. All depends on what you need and what you've done with it.

I've had to help friends recover old Windows and Mac systems that have gotten crapped up. Apple's better than older versions of Windows at that but from 7 onward, unless misused, I've found them to be about the same.


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Oct 28, 2016 12:21 as a reply to  @ post 18169302 |  #19

In your opinion, plenty will disagree, personally I think it's inferior as it's crippled and restricts you to the apple universe, big issues for me, and don't get me started on how bad iTunes is. Hardware wise Apple products are overpriced without question, and with a worse warranty. Nice products, but simple, overpriced, and they treat their customers as cash cows, so not a great tech company, but an awesome marketing company.


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Oct 28, 2016 13:07 |  #20

FuturamaJSP wrote in post #18169206 (external link)
maybe its time to switch to Alienware or MSI gaming laptop? They are still overpriced but at least you somewhat get what you pay for
You simply get waaay better hardware for the money

I'm not opposed to that. Issue is having iMessage is nice on laptop. As well as none of my PC laptops have near the battery life. I am on many trans-con flights and being able to edit for 4-5 hours is very important to me.


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Oct 28, 2016 13:53 |  #21

I'm in the situation where I need to make a move eventually. I've had the logic board in my 2011 MBP replaced twice and support runs out at the end of the year. I like these new MBPs, I just wish the 15"s were priced about $600 less.

About the most reasonable config I could come up with for my needs is:

2016 MBP 15" @ $2800 - 2.6Ghz i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, R460 4GB

Compare that to:
Razer Blade (1080 screen) @ $2000 - 6700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, GTX 1060 6GB
Zenbook Pro UX501 @ $1500 - 6700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 960M 2GB (add $300 for a 960M 4GB)
Dell XPS 15 @ $1400 - 6700HQ, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 960M 2GB
Used MBP 2015 @ $1600 - 4870HQ, 16GB RAM, 512 SSD, R9 M370X 2GB

As far as the OS goes, it really means very little for what I do. Either Win10 or MacOS can work for me. The only thing that has me leaning slightly towards MacOS is native ProRes support, but I could certainly get by without it.


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Oct 28, 2016 18:44 |  #22

bacchanal wrote in post #18169681 (external link)
I'm in the situation where I need to make a move eventually. I've had the logic board in my 2011 MBP replaced twice and support runs out at the end of the year. I like these new MBPs, I just wish the 15"s were priced about $600 less.

About the most reasonable config I could come up with for my needs is:

2016 MBP 15" @ $2800 - 2.6Ghz i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, R460 4GB

Compare that to:
Razer Blade (1080 screen) @ $2000 - 6700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, GTX 1060 6GB
Zenbook Pro UX501 @ $1500 - 6700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 960M 2GB (add $300 for a 960M 4GB)
Dell XPS 15 @ $1400 - 6700HQ, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 960M 2GB
Used MBP 2015 @ $1600 - 4870HQ, 16GB RAM, 512 SSD, R9 M370X 2GB

As far as the OS goes, it really means very little for what I do. Either Win10 or MacOS can work for me. The only thing that has me leaning slightly towards MacOS is native ProRes support, but I could certainly get by without it.

Buy a refurb 2014 or 2015. Add AppleCare. Save PLENTY of money and get almost the same performance.


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