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What lens will compliment what I have best? Budget of around $1,200 available.

 
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Oct 30, 2016 11:07 |  #16

For indoors low light shooting, I usually go for the 35F2IS or the 85F1.8. If I need a variety of focal lengths, I use a zoom, but that is for outside most of the time.
IS should be very helpful when you are using a high megapixel camera. I read that it will be X-Mas before the 24-105L II comes out. You may want to consider an alternative, like the less expensive first version, or pick up the 35F2IS for now, while you wait.




  
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Oct 30, 2016 11:13 |  #17

artyH wrote in post #18171043 (external link)
For indoors low light shooting, I usually go for the 35F2IS or the 85F1.8. If I need a variety of focal lengths, I use a zoom, but that is for outside most of the time.
IS should be very helpful when you are using a high megapixel camera. I read that it will be X-Mas before the 24-105L II comes out. You may want to consider an alternative, like the less expensive first version, or pick up the 35F2IS for now, while you wait.

You just made me sad! I noticed the date changed after you said that, it was 10/31 :(.

I was actually just looking at three lenses. 24mm f/2.8 IS, 35mm f/2 IS and 28mm f/1.8. Ugh, decisions decisions.


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Oct 30, 2016 11:21 |  #18

My husband and I will be doing a lot of traveling next year. My ultimate goal is to get photos like these.


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Oct 30, 2016 15:08 |  #19

TRDApril wrote in post #18171048 (external link)
You just made me sad! I noticed the date changed after you said that, it was 10/31 :(.

I was actually just looking at three lenses. 24mm f/2.8 IS, 35mm f/2 IS and 28mm f/1.8. Ugh, decisions decisions.

I would describe the 24 f/2.8 IS as a mixed lens. Sharp as a razor, nice IS, but vignettes severely wide open. More than 3 stops at f/2.8. That will be noticeable in every shot. You can't pull 3 stops without affecting IQ. The 28 1.8 @ f/2.8 is, I believe, less than 1/2 a stop vignetting in the corners. Love my 28 1.8. I think the only upgrades are the two available 24 f/1.4 lenses, Sigma and Canon II. I can't afford either.


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Oct 30, 2016 15:36 |  #20

TRDApril wrote in post #18170930 (external link)
Thanks for the reply! I was considering the 24-70 as well, but after reading threads until I fell asleep last night on it, people seem to like the 24-105 a bit more and I'm really excited to see how good the lens is considering it's a new release :).

It might be breaking with tradition, but I've heard from previous owners that the 24-105 (albeit not the new MKIII) is way over hyped, and the extra sharpness/versatility of the 24-70 2.8 is well worth it. IMO, the trinity of zooms is the 16-35mm (4L, but maybe the new 2.8III is worth it), 24-70mm 2.8II, and 70-200mm IS II. 24-70 is the traditional goto FL, and I use it more often than not. However, I think the 16-35mm range is more "fun". Really depends on what your style and preferences are...there is no set must have. Since you already have a 50mm, I might actually think the 16-35mm.

BTW, I got the 24-70mm 2.8 after borrowing it from a friend over the weekend. In keeping with the zombie motif of the thread, I was blown away with the sharpness and color after demoing at DragonCon:

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Oct 30, 2016 15:46 |  #21

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My husband and I will be doing a lot of traveling next year. My ultimate goal is to get photos like these.

Capturing vistas and sunsets, etc, isn't about having the right lens. It's about time. It's about being at your location at the right moment and waiting for the light to be right (where the sun reflects nicely off clouds or through foliage on the horizons, etc). There's a lot more to a good sunset image than simply exposing the sun and getting a star burst (due to stopping down aperture heavily or having the sun squint through objects). A good sunset is about a good composition, what else is in the image, the foreground, etc. You can use a wide angle and get a smaller sun in your composition to allow a lot more foreground subject matter, or you can use more telephoto focal lengths to make the sun a larger subject in your composition. Doesn't matter what lens you use, it's more about the composition and how you use the light and being patient and waiting for the right moment.

For sunsets (and sunrises!) you plan for the time, when and where it will set, and find locations where you would like to capture and include the sun. And clear no-cloud days are not the best, often times you want clouds to have something to reflect and glow from the light. Also, sunsets are generally best when they're peaking the horizon and not mid-sky.

Exposing is the other issue, the sun and the sky are going to be about 6 stops brighter than the foreground. So people either use filters to blend these exposures or they use several exposures and blend them in post to get the look you're posting you want. Some newer sensors can do it in a single shot due to high dynamic range (expose the highlights, pull the shadows). But you have to practice a technique and master it before you go on your trip so you're not fiddling with settings and trying to get this right before you go. The images you are looking at and wanting to do are far from being straight out of camera, they're going to be heavily edited, multi-exposure blends, or filtered images, etc.

I've done the filter thing, I don't prefer it, I don't like fiddling with filters unless I'm doing long exposure. I don't like grad ND filters for sunsets because I just don't want to fiddle with that during the precious few moments that the right light occurs. I like single exposures and pushing shadows in post, or, my most common way is with multiple exposures and blending them in post. I just set it up for 3 AEB brackets with +2/-2 stop brackets and grab them fast sequentially. Then I blend what I want from any of them together (some could call it HDR, or blending, etc, whatever you want to call it).

The key, again, is simply being where the sun is rising/setting before it happens and ready. Take a tripod. Know your goal and how you want to compose it. And then simply enjoy the moment, wait for the right light to happen and take your images. It often will only last a total of 15 minutes, and often the right light lasts even less time, moments.

My method is to do several images and blend them later in post. I use +2/-2 AEB brackets. To get my exposure right, I use my histogram and I make sure my -2 bracket is going to exposure highlights, so I expose for the sunset itself and then note my shutter speed and move it to be 2 stops brighter to get my middle, or 0 exposure, and knowing my +2 bracket will get the foreground. That takes me about 2 seconds since counting 2 stops is fast and easy. Then I blend these later in post. One for the foreground and one for the sun itself and the middle exposure, if needed, to help blend them together.

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Or, here's a sunset that I did with really long exposure methods. I planned this based on time and location and found a tree where I could grab the sun in the tree branches in a field facing the right direction for sunset and waited for a cloudy day late at night (had to just wait and wait). I did a long exposure for the sky, and a single normal exposure for the tree and foreground and blended the two for the final result (the sky is a 4.3 minute long exposure to get the clouds to streak like that into a wisp):

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Gear matters less here, technique and planning for the time and location matters the most! The light has to be right.

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Oct 30, 2016 15:51 |  #22

You're all amazing, thank you so much! I'm so excited to start practicing. Now, I need to stop wasting money and learn to use what I have :mrgreen:.


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Oct 30, 2016 16:20 |  #23

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to get photos like that, the only thing you'd really need is a tripod...most any wide lens could pull that off

for indoors as suggested before learn to bounce your flash...you could get a wider prime, but honestly with kids/birthdays family stuff a zoom would probably be more convenient...

also just a note, but it's usually better to post a link to someone elses photo as opposed to posting it in the message


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Oct 30, 2016 16:21 |  #24

^^This is the hard thing about landscapes....there is no "right" or "set" FL. I've taken some striking horizon shots at 200mm or at 16mm. I think 16mm is more popular to get exaggerated perspectives of foreground vs background. That's a current fad. I also think that it's true that some folks really gravitate towards experimenting with wide angle lenses...it's worth it to try wide angle on FF. Then again, as Mal has highlighted, a lot of the drama can be exposure. That's what makes photography great and another art form!


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Oct 30, 2016 16:33 |  #25

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Now, I need to stop wasting money and learn to use what I have :mrgreen:.

This is the best way to go.

Gear helps. But it's more important to know how to use it to get the results you want and that takes practice.

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Oct 30, 2016 16:38 |  #26

I've been using the 24-105 IS for many years, it's a fantastic all around lens. I'm very interested in what the new version produces once it's out there in the field.


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Nov 02, 2016 11:18 |  #27

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It might be breaking with tradition, but I've heard from previous owners that the 24-105 (albeit not the new MKIII) is way over hyped, and the extra sharpness/versatility of the 24-70 2.8 is well worth it. IMO, the trinity of zooms is the 16-35mm (4L, but maybe the new 2.8III is worth it), 24-70mm 2.8II, and 70-200mm IS II. 24-70 is the traditional goto FL, and I use it more often than not. However, I think the 16-35mm range is more "fun". Really depends on what your style and preferences are...there is no set must have. Since you already have a 50mm, I might actually think the 16-35mm.

BTW, I got the 24-70mm 2.8 after borrowing it from a friend over the weekend. In keeping with the zombie motif of the thread, I was blown away with the sharpness and color after demoing at DragonCon:

This is my experience as well. After several different 24-105mm lenses I was completely underwhelmed. Once the 24-70mm f/2.8 II was in the house I was set.

I am a fan of UWA zooms. The advice above and that from Malveaux are good, the 16-35mm or 3rd party equivalent is good advice (and I believe better than a prime for most, but that's just me).

Eventually, anyone with a priority to indoor photography is going to re-think aperture and stock f/2.8 or wider I wasted a good bit of money thinking I didn't need it. Just a thought.




  
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Eventually, anyone with a priority to indoor photography is going to re-think aperture and stock f/2.8 or wider I wasted a good bit of money thinking I didn't need it. Just a thought.

With indoor a priority I think they'd be better off understanding/using flash


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Nov 02, 2016 15:14 |  #29

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With indoor a priority I think they'd be better off understanding/using flash

That goes for pretty much everyone, but that's not all there is to it. In my line of work I can't really use flash, so the advice stands.




  
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Nov 02, 2016 15:16 |  #30

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I have the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II on preorder but I CAN cancel it. I need a good lens that is versatile and good for indoors and for the occasional landscape.

I have a Mark IV, grip, some cards and other small things that will be here on Tuesday.

I currently have:
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS
Canon 50mm 1.8 II

I will be using the camera right this second for a lot of indoor shooting like Christmas, birthday parties, school plays, etc. I won't have much light to work with in these situations.

In the spring/summer I will be doing landscapes and going through walks in the woods. I will also be taking a lot of photos of my truck.

I think the best bang for my buck here will be the 85mm 1.8? I was also going to purchase the 50mm 1.4 but it's not a worthy upgrade from the 1.8 from what I've been reading. I am so undecided, though, and buying that leaves me some room left in my budget, any recommendations?

I also need a tripod, I was considering this one:
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Based on your stated needs and your indecision of a zoom vs a prime, I'd suggest:

1) Renting something first. Since your budget allows for the purchase of either the 24-70 f/4 IS or the new 24-105 IS II - try them out.

OR

2) Spend about $200 and buy the 28-135 IS f/3.5-5.6 off craigslist which lens will, in most of the cases you cite as possible uses, do quite a nice job - particularly with a flash. Will the shots be better with the two more expensive zooms? Probably, but not significantly. You can sell the 28-135 later with hardly any loss of money. And then you know whether a zoom is the thing you want OR not.




  
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