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Nov 10, 2016 01:30 |  #1

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I just got my Mark iv the other day. Was doing an indoor event yesterday (symposium). I thought I woyld test out the auto iso option a bit. Used my 24-70 mkii.
Set the camera to f2.8 and 1/125. Also used the 70-200 f2.8 mkii at 1/200.
Afterwards I noticed quite a few shots were blurry. Motion blur as far as I could tell.
I realise this sensor has more pixels jammed info it. This has an effect on minimum shutter speed I gues.
Whar are your views on this?
Greets and thanks
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Nov 10, 2016 02:07 |  #2

Steven_nl wrote in post #18180624 (external link)
Hi guy
I just got my Mark iv the other day. Was doing an indoor event yesterday (symposium). I thought I woyld test out the auto iso option a bit. Used my 24-70 mkii.
Set the camera to f2.8 and 1/125. Also used the 70-200 f2.8 mkii at 1/200.
Afterwards I noticed quite a few shots were blurry. Motion blur as far as I could tell.
I realise this sensor has more pixels jammed info it. This has an effect on minimum shutter speed I gues.
Whar are your views on this?
Greets and thanks
Steven

I would bump your SS up by 2/3 stop at least over the 20MP cameras.


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Nov 10, 2016 02:30 |  #3

Don't be shy with shutter speed with this combo to stop motion blur. That's what i have found!


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Nov 10, 2016 05:07 |  #4

Don't look at images at 100 % magnification, and you'll get away with longer times.


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Nov 10, 2016 05:27 |  #5

With 5D IV Iso performance, there is no need to sacrifice SS, I'm blown away at how it handles low light. Any noise it has is very pleasant.


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Nov 10, 2016 05:33 |  #6

Yeah I agree. I thought 1/125 would be safe on 70mm shooting people standing around chatting etc. guess I have to shoor a bit faster.
and 1/200 isn't safe enough on 200mm.


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Nov 10, 2016 05:49 |  #7

This is the problem when you decide to compare increasingly higher input resolutions (camera) at a fixed output resolution (monitor) since you are comparing larger and larger images as you do so. In the nearly 190 year history of photography it is only in the last ten or so years that this phenomna has been an issue. Previously comparisons of image quality would have been made on equal sized prints, so that outside variables like camera shake would be equalised. Nobody would have considered comparing one image printed at 10×8 with another at 16×12.

These days we make comparisons of images at previously unimagined sizes, given an average monitor resolution of 100 PPI viewing an image at 1:1/100% is the equivalent of viewing prints at roughly 55" wide and 70" wide for the two cameras in question, and viewing those prints from about two feet. Twenty years ago you would have been laughed at for suggesting such a comparison.

It is IMO unfortunate that most people don't seem to understand the difference in the relationship between input and output digital resolution, and optical magnification.

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Nov 10, 2016 07:28 |  #8

Steven_nl wrote in post #18180683 (external link)
Yeah I agree. I thought 1/125 would be safe on 70mm shooting people standing around chatting etc. guess I have to shoor a bit faster.
and 1/200 isn't safe enough on 200mm.


Or improve your technique. :-P :-)


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Nov 10, 2016 07:59 as a reply to  @ gvg45's post |  #9

Yeah that's allways an option. But why bother. LOL Allways room for improvement. But even people doing speeches move around a bit. This isn't the first event I have shot. It is the first event with the Mark IV though. It either needs a higher shutterspeed or it is broken. Not sure uet if I am keen on the auto ISO. It does work great on my x-pro2. But I had a lot of blown out highlights.
Bit of a risk taking a new camera on a paid job, oh well.


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Nov 10, 2016 08:24 |  #10

Steven_nl wrote in post #18180754 (external link)
Yeah that's allways an option. But why bother. LOL Allways room for improvement. But even people doing speeches move around a bit. This isn't the first event I have shot. It is the first event with the Mark IV though. It either needs a higher shutterspeed or it is broken. Not sure uet if I am keen on the auto ISO. It does work great on my x-pro2. But I had a lot of blown out highlights.
Bit of a risk taking a new camera on a paid job, oh well.

Bear in mind that your 24-70 does not have IS. How fast a SS you need will vary, depending on several factors, but, one of them is you, and eventually you will figure out how steady your hands are.

Really the same deal, to a lesser extent, on your 70-200 that does have IS.

I typically use 320 or 500ss when my 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is shooting handheld at 200mm. And about 200 on a 24-70 without IS.

Many shooters are able to go with slower ss on both of these lenses. You have to learn your own limitations.




  
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Nov 10, 2016 09:20 |  #11

thanks. Yeah I usually shoot a bit slower then that and get away with it, but I have the feeling the Mark IV is less forgiving because the pixels are closer together.


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Nov 10, 2016 10:28 |  #12

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I have the feeling the Mark IV is less forgiving because the relative amont of zooming in in post to achieve 100% is much greater.

Fixed your post.

I am trying, very delicately, to show some folks how badly they are over-retouching images at my new gig. With a 24 MP d750 they have been zooming in to 100-200 percent to get rid of dust and imperfections on our product photography.

THE OUTPUT IS A 1200px CMYK TIF AND A 800px JPG!!!

I've taken some completely unretouched images home and printed them out on my photo printer. To me, the insane degree of pixel peeping is obvious. I just kinda need to make them understand.

What is your output, steven_nl?


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Nov 10, 2016 14:15 |  #13

Hi
It was not my remark. I just openened a few full sized raws in lightroom and noticed some motion blur. Not sure if it was my motion or the subjects moving. Some shots were sharp.
I read a post by Damien Lovegrove. He stated he uses a higher shutterspeed with the Fuji xt en xpro camera's because the pixels are so close together on the apsc sensor.
Obviously I understand the 24-70 has no IS. Would not natter if the blur is caused by the subject.
I actually own the xpro2 24mp. And i own the Mark III.

Not sure I understand what you mean by output.

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Nov 10, 2016 14:38 |  #14

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And here as well


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Nov 10, 2016 19:58 |  #15

Viewing raw files at 100% zoomed in is greatly exaggerating the amount of blur you are seeing. That is the point I think others are trying to make. When you view images, just view them at no more than 60-70%. If you take a 5D4 raw file and zoom in at 100%, it is as if you just printed a 15x20 poster and then pulled out a magnifying glass at 3" from the print to look around at the photo. You don't view images that way normally.

The only time you need to up your shutter speeds to reduce that kind of motion blur across a denser sensor is if you are planning on cropping out a section of the image and then still want to print large with the final result.


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