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24-105 mm f/4 IS USM II Sharpness comparison to 100-400 mm f/4.5-5.6 IS USM II @ 100mm

 
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Nov 20, 2016 18:04 |  #31

agv8or wrote in post #18187220 (external link)
$1099 or $1999 is the difference in cost between the 24-105 II as compared to the 100-400 II. Apples to Oranges

$999 or $1099 is the difference between 24-105mm to 24-105 II. Apples to Apples

When I want an apple I am not interested in oranges.

No offense but no one is paying $1000 for the 24-105 Version 1. You can get them brand new from a kit for $500-$630 so the price gap is pretty big in my opinion and the improvements are not worth the upgrade.


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Nov 20, 2016 19:54 |  #32

DJHaze596 wrote in post #18190126 (external link)
No offense but no one is paying $1000 for the 24-105 Version 1. You can get them brand new from a kit for $500-$630 so the price gap is pretty big in my opinion and the improvements are not worth the upgrade.



No offense taken but please point me to a major retailer selling a new white box 24-105L v1's for $630 let alone $500. B & H is listing their white box 24-105L at $999 and used ones from $599-$649.

I recently sold my v1 for $575 to a friend and if they could have bought a new one for less money than mine, which was in pristine condition and had a fresh 11 point inspection and cleaning from Canon, then I definitely want to point them in that direction and get my lens back. Especially since I cancelled my v2 preorder yesterday in order to wait till after the first of the year when hopefully Canon drops the kit price of the 5DmIV / 24-105L II.


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Nov 20, 2016 20:03 |  #33

I am starting to see V1 for 600 CDN, that's like 450 USD, at that price these are a steal. I am so tempted even though I have no use for one.


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Nov 20, 2016 21:43 |  #34

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No offense taken but please point me to a major retailer selling a new white box 24-105L v1's for $630 let alone $500. B & H is listing their white box 24-105L at $999 and used ones from $599-$649.

I recently sold my v1 for $575 to a friend and if they could have bought a new one for less money than mine, which was in pristine condition and had a fresh 11 point inspection and cleaning from Canon, then I definitely want to point them in that direction and get my lens back. Especially since I cancelled my v2 preorder yesterday in order to wait till after the first of the year when hopefully Canon drops the kit price of the 5DmIV / 24-105L II.

$624.99 via Amazon

https://www.amazon.com …18&sr=8-1&keywords=24-105 (external link)

Edit: Eww Version 2 is worst than Version 1 via Digital Picture:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=0 (external link)


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Nov 21, 2016 02:55 |  #35

DJHaze596 wrote in post #18190325 (external link)
$624.99 via Amazon

https://www.amazon.com …18&sr=8-1&keywords=24-105 (external link)

Edit: Eww Version 2 is worst than Version 1 via Digital Picture:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=0 (external link)

Edit: In searching through the different sellers, for the link provided for the cheap $600 24-105L's, I am finding quite a variety from used to refurbished to new white box grey market. In fact all but 1 of the white box listings are for grey market lenses. I have an email into the one who is not listing it as grey market but by the sound of the name I bet it to is grey market but we'll see.

Thanks for that info. Not sure why I did not see that when I was researching prices. Oh well. I will pass that info on to my friend and if they decide not to pursue it and send my lens back then I'll keep it in mind in case I do not get the 5DmIV kit or the new v2 lens.

Digital pictures has a lot of good info and some good reviews but quite frankly his charts suck. I would have never bought half the lenses I own if I had only gone by his charts. I quit using his comparison charts years ago. Now I only look at Canons MFD charts and then it only accounts for about 5-10% of my final decision in buying a lens.

My original post in this thread may have sounded like I did not fully appreciate the OP's comparison with the 100-400 II. At least it did to me after I went back and reread it a few days later. To be honest I was amazed at how well the 24-105L II compared in sharpness to the 100-400L II. I am just waiting for a more apples to apples comparison with a side by side of the 24-105 v1 and v2.


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Nov 27, 2016 07:12 |  #36

My v1 version must have been junk.
My v2 is better in all aspects.

Granted there are many lenses optically superior but nothing comes close to it as a "walk around"

My initial impressions are:

It's better built.
Zooming is buttery smooth.
The IS is quieter and more effective.
And iy is for sure sharper in the centre region.

It does exactly what it was designed to do!


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Nov 27, 2016 09:42 |  #37

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My v1 version must have been junk.
My v2 is better in all aspects.

Granted there are many lenses optically superior but nothing comes close to it as a "walk around"

My initial impressions are:

It's better built.
Zooming is buttery smooth.
The IS is quieter and more effective.
And iy is for sure sharper in the centre region.

It does exactly what it was designed to do!

Had mine two weeks now and I'm happy to confirm all that and comment that the AF stays pace with the speedy 5D4's AF in style. :-D


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Nov 27, 2016 09:44 |  #38

fordmondeo wrote in post #18195862 (external link)
Granted there are many lenses optically superior but nothing comes close to it as a "walk around"

... for the price.

For walkaround, I'd rather get a 24-70/2.8 on a high MP body, then crop to 105 equivalent.


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Nov 27, 2016 10:52 as a reply to  @ CheshireCat's post |  #39

I had the 24-70 2.8 v2 and it quickly became my least used lens, in fact, it has now been sold..

One stop of light vs 4 stops of iS had me sold on the 24-105.
In truth, the zoom range of the 24-104 is perfect for me, not everyone, perhaps just me.

As an aspiring amateur, versatility trumps sharpness.


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Nov 27, 2016 11:51 |  #40

For me getting-the-shot, street, event, anywhere, is the first priority, and in this sense it is substantially better than the already very good v.1.

...and please note the ten-blade aperture induced background...


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Nov 27, 2016 12:47 |  #41

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One stop of light vs 4 stops of iS had me sold on the 24-105.

Yes, stabilization is very helpful. My high MP body is an A7R2, so every lens is stabilized by means of IBIS.

Sony also has a 24-70/2.8GM that seems to perform at the level of the v2 Canon and works great with IBIS. Cropping a 70mm shot to 105mm still results in 20 MP.
But at the end of the day, the combo is as big as a DSLR one, and for walk-around I love nice compact light primes. I can fit camera, 21/2.8, 50/1.4 and 180/3.4 in a ThinkTank Retrospective 5. Can't beat that.


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Nov 27, 2016 14:03 |  #42

I don't need IS as much as I need a stop of light. I can use a monopod to overcome my movements easier than I can add a stop of light.


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Nov 27, 2016 14:17 |  #43

Talley wrote in post #18185723 (external link)
Take a look at this... This is off your web uploaded JPG and not even full size. Since the photo is in portrait mode this is the top center of the image when viewed in landscape. The performance of the 100-400 will be even better as it moves towards it's sides edges and then corners.

Most people don't restrict their photos to the center part of the image.... there is no way a short zoom can compete against a GOOD tele like the 100-400II in areas outside the immediate center.

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which one is better? it looks like more of a difference in where the focus is in that comparison...one is more front focused than the other...the right shot is closer focused than the left


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Nov 27, 2016 15:36 |  #44

DreDaze wrote in post #18196205 (external link)
which one is better? it looks like more of a difference in where the focus is in that comparison...one is more front focused than the other...the right shot is closer focused than the left

... but the left shot is not sharp anywhere.


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Nov 27, 2016 15:45 |  #45

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18196189 (external link)
I don't need IS as much as I need a stop of light. I can use a monopod to overcome my movements easier than I can add a stop of light.

With the ISO performance of new bodies, one stop isn't as valuable as it once was. Maybe in some cases it can make of break a shot, but for most of us it doesn't.


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