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Nov 27, 2016 15:03 as a reply to  @ post 18196182 |  #6736

I just started using it with my 7D2. I never had issues keeping the shutter half pressed when tracking and shooting bursts. After so many years I had trouble getting used to it but I forced myself to use it and now I like it.

I still like to shoot stills with the shutter so I set up the AF-ON so AI Servo kicks in. I set up the * button so AI Servo, 65 point AF and zone 6 kick in. This is for emergency BIF. I mentioned this before. I wish Canon would add drive mode to the Detail Set so I could keep the camera on Single Shooting and when either BB are pressed it would switch to High Speed Continuous.

I also noticed my keeper rate improved setting the IS in my 100-400II to mode 3. At least I think it did. I have to experiment more. Weather is nice but it has been overcast pretty much every day.


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Nov 27, 2016 17:56 |  #6737

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I just started using it with my 7D2. I never had issues keeping the shutter half pressed when tracking and shooting bursts. After so many years I had trouble getting used to it but I forced myself to use it and now I like it.

I still like to shoot stills with the shutter so I set up the AF-ON so AI Servo kicks in. I set up the * button so AI Servo, 65 point AF and zone 6 kick in. This is for emergency BIF. I mentioned this before. I wish Canon would add drive mode to the Detail Set so I could keep the camera on Single Shooting and when either BB are pressed it would switch to High Speed Continuous.

I also noticed my keeper rate improved setting the IS in my 100-400II to mode 3. At least I think it did. I have to experiment more. Weather is nice but it has been overcast pretty much every day.

Adding the drive mode would be a welcome addition, but of course, although not as fast or convenient for "emergency BIF", you can always create a custom settings.

All the custom BBF features are only valid as long as you depressed the button. Perhaps going from single shot to high speed is more difficult to temporarily implement on the fly.


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Nov 27, 2016 18:40 |  #6738

[QUOTE=digital paradise;18196263]I just started using it with my 7D2. I never had issues keeping the shutter half pressed when tracking and shooting bursts. After so many years I had trouble getting used to it but I forced myself to use it and now I like it.

I still like to shoot stills with the shutter so I set up the AF-ON so AI Servo kicks in. I set up the * button so AI Servo, 65 point AF and zone 6 kick in. This is for emergency BIF. I mentioned this before. I wish Canon would add drive mode to the Detail Set so I could keep the camera on Single Shooting and when either BB are pressed it would switch to High Speed Continuous.

I also noticed my keeper rate improved setting the IS in my 100-400II to mode 3. At least I think it did. I have to experiment more. Weather is nice but it has been overcast pretty much every day.[/QUOTE

yu know i have played with bbf but have gone back to shutter focus for two reasons one is i cant see the active focus point show in red in dpp - so is ther any way to see that with another program with bbf - and secondly when on a costly safari and something just jumps out in front of yu and yu get about .1 of a second to take a shot ( and it happens ) bbf is a pain in the neck imho - just so much simpler to just hit the shutter button and get a decent shot

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Nov 27, 2016 19:48 as a reply to  @ patrol50's post |  #6739

I use BBF all the time,,,and can see the focus point-points in red in DPP as long as " AF points " are turned on from the Preview menu .


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Nov 27, 2016 20:14 |  #6740

digital paradise wrote in post #18196081 (external link)
Didn't use BBF but you had the shutter ½ pressed while tracking the movement?

Impossible to track the birds. They were on the far side of a bed of alders. Mostly I just waited until a bird moved so that it was visible with no intervening branches. I took about 150 shots in bursts at 7 fps. None are razor sharp but a lot are like the one posted as far as focus goes. Even at 7 fps I have shots were there was a bird on a branch in one frame and empty air in the next. Of course, give my field of view the bird didn't have to move far to disappear.

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Nov 27, 2016 20:33 |  #6741

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18196182 (external link)
BBF is one of the first 2 settings that I set on a new camera. For me it makes the difference to a high rate of keepers vs not.

What is the second?
By definition I am not using BBF.

By default my camera is set to center point or spot, M mode, mostly AI servo and auto ISO.
* = toggle focus mode
AF ON = BIF settings

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Nov 27, 2016 20:55 |  #6742

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Can I ask what firmware level your camera is at?

was 1.05???

1.1.0 now

so I DL the new firmware after these pics. I reset my camera this morning to factory defaults. I haven't had time to go through it to set up and had to take it out for some testing at picking out our tree. I also never used BFF before and this year started so. When I reset my camera it DID NOT reset BFF back to 1/2 shutter..

anyway... I also took recommendation on here to go f5.6 with this lens.

I also switched to center point as well. I am now thinking my issue is more with auto tracking as when I just spot checked a mess of soccer action shots I had weird confusion. That confusion is as follows...
when I do action soccer I had the AF points highlight constant red ( I like that setting ) and when I track I see whats going on and take pics with the action locked on the player. However after inspecting the pics I see the AF point on the ball, on the grass behind the player OR even NO AF POINT!!!!

now that is totally confusing.

The following pics are processed. our day was not greatly sunny but very overcasted and still chose to use my 24-105 @ f5.6...

After the reset I am a bit happier but wondering if it is more due to using center point af and not refocusing?

I will test more in the next few days. soccer is done and I am sick at the moment so a bit not in the uppidy mood...

I am open to light critique to flat out bash my stuff... don't matter to me hah...

few more on flickr. didn't want to post them all here... as going to post some in 7dm2 thread

Family pic in front of our tree... I like what I see so far..

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So I am thinking a total reset and firmware flash made things better???

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Nov 27, 2016 20:58 |  #6743

digital paradise wrote in post #18194263 (external link)
1 PPI

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1000 PPI

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You need to go back and read my post.
The PPI I refer to has nothing to do with display PPI. It is strictly in reference to Sensor Pixels.

You should reread my post #6716 on pg 448.
I was never talking about display nor embedded PPI description. I specifically indicated Sensor Pixels. The PPI in writing a Joel is an embedded descriptor and has no effect. There are all different PPIs. A typical display runs about 96 these day which is fine at normal monitor viewing distances, tablets between 160-300ppi, these PPI are all actual display pixels per inch.

Sensor PPI is the number of physical pixels capturing an inch of measurement at the focal plane.
Hence pixels on the duck. Your duck obviously had plenty, unlike those in Telefagger's post. Do the easy experiment I detailed and you'll learn something to help manage expectations for outcomes. DP, I'm surprised you missed the importance of this distinction.




  
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Nov 27, 2016 22:08 |  #6744

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What is the second?
By definition I am not using BBF.

By default my camera is set to center point or spot, M mode, mostly AI servo and auto ISO.
* = toggle focus mode
AF ON = BIF settings

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Turn the beep off :)


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Nov 27, 2016 22:20 |  #6745

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18196593 (external link)
Turn the beep off :)

For me, turning the focus acquisition beep off is the very first thing I do with a new camera.


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Nov 27, 2016 22:32 |  #6746

These look pretty good, given web resolution and distance to subject and FL.

TeleFragger wrote in post #18196537 (external link)
was 1.05???

1.1.0 now

so I DL the new firmware after these pics. I reset my camera this morning to factory defaults. I haven't had time to go through it to set up and had to take it out for some testing at picking out our tree. I also never used BFF before and this year started so. When I reset my camera it DID NOT reset BFF back to 1/2 shutter..

anyway... I also took recommendation on here to go f5.6 with this lens.

I also switched to center point as well. I am now thinking my issue is more with auto tracking as when I just spot checked a mess of soccer action shots I had weird confusion. That confusion is as follows...
when I do action soccer I had the AF points highlight constant red ( I like that setting ) and when I track I see whats going on and take pics with the action locked on the player. However after inspecting the pics I see the AF point on the ball, on the grass behind the player OR even NO AF POINT!!!!

now that is totally confusing.

The following pics are processed. our day was not greatly sunny but very overcasted and still chose to use my 24-105 @ f5.6...

After the reset I am a bit happier but wondering if it is more due to using center point af and not refocusing?

I will test more in the next few days. soccer is done and I am sick at the moment so a bit not in the uppidy mood...

I am open to light critique to flat out bash my stuff... don't matter to me hah...

few more on flickr. didn't want to post them all here... as going to post some in 7dm2 thread

Family pic in front of our tree... I like what I see so far..

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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/NroB​ut  (external link) Tree2016 (7 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr

Oldest posing

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/NroA​1X  (external link) Tree2016 (13 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr

So I am thinking a total reset and firmware flash made things better???

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/PELW​68  (external link) Tree2016 (20 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr




  
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Nov 27, 2016 23:03 |  #6747

TeleFragger wrote in post #18196537 (external link)
was 1.05???

1.1.0 now

so I DL the new firmware after these pics. I reset my camera this morning to factory defaults. I haven't had time to go through it to set up and had to take it out for some testing at picking out our tree. I also never used BFF before and this year started so. When I reset my camera it DID NOT reset BFF back to 1/2 shutter..

anyway... I also took recommendation on here to go f5.6 with this lens.

I also switched to center point as well. I am now thinking my issue is more with auto tracking as when I just spot checked a mess of soccer action shots I had weird confusion. That confusion is as follows...
when I do action soccer I had the AF points highlight constant red ( I like that setting ) and when I track I see whats going on and take pics with the action locked on the player. However after inspecting the pics I see the AF point on the ball, on the grass behind the player OR even NO AF POINT!!!!

now that is totally confusing.

The following pics are processed. our day was not greatly sunny but very overcasted and still chose to use my 24-105 @ f5.6...

After the reset I am a bit happier but wondering if it is more due to using center point af and not refocusing?

I will test more in the next few days. soccer is done and I am sick at the moment so a bit not in the uppidy mood...

I am open to light critique to flat out bash my stuff... don't matter to me hah...

few more on flickr. didn't want to post them all here... as going to post some in 7dm2 thread

Family pic in front of our tree... I like what I see so far..

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/NroB​ut  (external link) Tree2016 (7 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr

Oldest posing

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/NroA​1X  (external link) Tree2016 (13 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr

So I am thinking a total reset and firmware flash made things better???

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/PELW​68  (external link) Tree2016 (20 of 20) (external link) by Jeffrey Riggs (external link), on Flickr

That first shot looks pretty good to me.


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Nov 28, 2016 00:09 |  #6748

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BBF is one of the first 2 settings that I set on a new camera. For me it makes the difference to a high rate of keepers vs not.

Oh absolutely, me too; don't think I am being negative about BBF.

In fact I can't get along with shutter half press or one shot period, just doesn't with my thought patterns. Perhaps because I predate AF, but I am sure that applies to many here.

Just suggesting that in some circumstances with rapidly moving subjects the keeper rate can go down in my experience. Of course the more experience a person has with the subject the better they can predict and use those still moments.


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Dec 11, 2016 07:06 |  #6749

Me too, Very first thing I do lol

mwsilver wrote in post #18196601 (external link)
For me, turning the focus acquisition beep off is the very first thing I do with a new camera.


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Dec 18, 2016 11:29 as a reply to  @ post 18121239 |  #6750

Hi, do you use BBF sorry for another abbreviation ...Back Button Focus?

It can help if you use back button to focus and when locked on to subject in AI SERVO mode wait one second before releasing the shutter.
With front button focus and shutter release if you are not locked on properly you can release the shutter too soon before acquiring focus lock

Might be worth a try?


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