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Nov 24, 2016 08:21 |  #31

Ignore me - I had two posts open at the same time and posted the wrong reply to the wrong thread.....:rolleyes:


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Nov 28, 2016 12:32 |  #32

Just got back from my trip, and the X-T2 was a joy to use. My back felt so good. I took my Ipad with me and loaded the Raw images directly into lightroom mobile, and was amazed at the initial results. I felt I had to do a lot less compared to my 5Dmk3 to process the images to get the results I wanted. I finally understood why everyone who used the Fuji were talking about color rendition.

So I have now planned to sell my Canon EF 50mm f/1.4, EF 85mm F/1.8 and 40mm pancake lens (and maybe my 100mm macro v1) to fund my first Fuji prime, XF 56mm f/1.2. (They are sold out everywhere right now)


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Nov 28, 2016 17:29 |  #33

monty87 wrote in post #18197023 (external link)
I finally understood why everyone who used the Fuji were talking about color rendition.

Not only did I switch from Canon to Fuji, I'm seriously considering switching from RAW to jpg for all but the most critical commercial work. The jpegs are amazing.


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Nov 28, 2016 18:18 |  #34

My problem with jpegs is having hard time adjusting WB in post. For some reason it seems easier if shoot RAW. And also when shooting high ISOs, jpegs just kill the skin. This is with LR.

Colors wise, I don't think there is much difference, maybe I don't know. You guys tell me:

Sony A7RII vs XT1

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Nov 28, 2016 18:23 |  #35

Canon vs Fuji

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Nov 29, 2016 00:30 |  #36

^^^ Looks good. What Canon gear? I presume the 56mm from Fuji.

The detail and resolution are the only things keeping my toe in the Sony camp really. Yes, I could upgrade to, I suppose, the X-pro2 (as I'm not too keen on the looks and layout of the X-t2) I'd love an X-e3 with the newer sensor ideally!! But either way I have to get a newer version of Lightroom again which is added aggro and cost.


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Nov 29, 2016 08:52 |  #37

LeeRatters wrote in post #18197700 (external link)
^^^ Looks good. What Canon gear? I presume the 56mm from Fuji.

The detail and resolution are the only things keeping my toe in the Sony camp really. Yes, I could upgrade to, I suppose, the X-pro2 (as I'm not too keen on the looks and layout of the X-t2) I'd love an X-e3 with the newer sensor ideally!! But either way I have to get a newer version of Lightroom again which is added aggro and cost.

5dmk3, 85L II vs XT1, 56mm f1.2. I do love the resolution of Sony A7RII not to mention the nice sensor. Everything else Fuji is perfect, oh except face/eye detect where Sony is much better.


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Nov 29, 2016 09:32 |  #38

I think what draws people to fuji is how the camera renders our subjects.

If Canon's images and colours looked like Fuji I would not complain a second. However sometime I find I prefer the look of Canon's colour in their RAW files especially when I shoot events. It's almost like how I prefer some types of music depending on my mood.

I hope anyone adopting to Fuji 16mpx bodies understands the difference in AF speed. Even with my 2 fuji bodies I just feel a hair on the "slow" when I try to focus on thing that happen during an event. This is where even my 5dmk2 center focus is blazing fast even when focus/recompose compared to my fuji bodies. I still don't have a 5dmk4 in my hands but I can see benefits using a heavy dslr with fast focus in low light.

I notice beautiful images from fuji. Many images on the POTN is static subjects or slow moving. Now that the X-T2 is out I'm searching the web and local photogs to see how they are doing with fast paced event work/weddings. I think they'd be doing extremely well.

What still gets me is the sharpness of fuji and how it renders. Every time I use the 10-24mm in good light it blows me away. Even at iso 5000 in a adequately lit gymnasium I'm able to stop movement (motion blur still is something I work hard to eliminate in majority of my photography) during a Taiko drum performance I photgraphed shot recently.

I think lately tech is so good that it's a matter of being a better skilled photographer since hardware is getting so much better at high iso and better focus systems. Skills have always trumped gear :) Modern gear just makes it easier to have killer IQ compared to a decade ago. Just think the 1dmk3 $$$$$$ 10yrs ago (2007) and it had great AF, fast frames per second but it lacked iso performance. You were the king photographer of sports as you can capture moments due to spray and pray. However in low light .....meh......

NOW.....

Buy a A6500 or Fuji X-T2 (lots of other camera bodies) and have much better IQ in low light, 1.5/1.6 crop factor, decent fps.....

Very good IQ from modern cameras and mad skills still surpasses "amateur uncle bob" with his latest top level nikon/canon/sony etc.

The X-T2 is a beast of a camera for fuji lovers :) I'd love to add one to my gear in the near future. The X-T1 should have been the level of the X-T2 years ago IMO.... I'm grateful fuji listened and put serious R&D in a killer IQ machine.


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Nov 29, 2016 10:05 |  #39

Alan, here are some moving shots with XT1.

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I have 10 of these in a sequence and XT1 nails 9 out of 10. Even my 1 series sometimes will miss 1.

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Nov 29, 2016 11:42 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #40

Bobby,

Cool shots. I just get way more accurate shots with my 5dmk3 and 80D. The X-T10 apparently adopted X-T1 AF system and the X-T10 still struggles like mad to land the shots easily. However during car show events my fuji is fantastic.

What I miss alot is landing shots during events photography. This is where I require an X-T2 bar minimum with HSS/TTL flash.

I still need to grow with the fuji system.....


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Nov 29, 2016 12:59 |  #41

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What I miss alot is landing shots during events photography.

What kind of events? You need so show some sample shots. I am no wedding guy but I only use XT1 for any event at my work place and I nail it all the time, no issues. Lot of my events are indoors, some outdoors.


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Nov 29, 2016 14:37 |  #42

Bobby,

What focal length is the lens your using during the baseball game? 56mm? what distance? I find when the distance of the subject is further it gives some breathing room for the AF-C to focus due to thicker dof. Take that same situation in baseball and be closer my X-T10 is an epic fail in AF-C while the 5d3 or even my 80D does it almost effortlessly.

If your documenting many sports you can decide when to spray and pray and see what you land. If your using a long lens the thick dof is quite forgiving.

Your 3rd shot of the cropped/tight framed boy running is not sharp (very soft eyes) which is expected when I shoot similar scenarios with my 55-200.

I take the X-T2 would be having little challenge compared to all of the fuji 16mpx bodies in a childs baseball game.

I just find that when I'm anticipating a shot the fuji does ok and I'll even take consecutive shots just to backup my initial shot. Unanticipated photos like a sudden shaking of the hands during a speech/awards my fuji x-T10 will be milliseconds on the slow side while even my center focused 5dmk2 would land the shot.

I think my most difficult time I had with my fuji bodies was to document my kids Easter egg hunt. I've shot similar photos for years for family/friends and misses some shots here and there with my Canon. The Fuji on the other hand really struggled to land the shots.

I've had many discussions with local fuji photogs (former canon users too) and they expressed the identical AF lag that misses milliseconds of a shot using X-T10/X-T1.

Once I pull the trigger on an X-T2 I'm just tolerating the well known AF shutter lag of my current bodies. And yes my "high performance MODE" is activated on my 16mpx bodies.......

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=up8K_xd_iwU (external link)

look at 9:52 and also 12:05

This discussion is nothing new. This is why I must move forward to an X-T2.


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Nov 29, 2016 16:07 |  #43

Still show me the event pictures. Events are pretty static IMHO. If you can do with 5dm2 with its ancient AF system, any camera can do it. Trust me, unless it is very low light we talking like Charlie who wanted to shoot kids halloween at ISO256k or was it 512k ISO. I never ever used AI-Servo for events with Canon.


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Nov 29, 2016 21:35 |  #44

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Still show me the event pictures. Events are pretty static IMHO. If you can do with 5dm2 with its ancient AF system, any camera can do it. Trust me, unless it is very low light we talking like Charlie who wanted to shoot kids halloween at ISO256k or was it 512k ISO. I never ever used AI-Servo for events with Canon.


Bobby I cull my blurry/imperfect photos (jpg or RAW). Do you keep out of focus or saggy eyed images?? I do not have any client photos to show you. During a reception I can be shooting one thing and in a split second I see something happen in my peripheral vision with a slit second to redirect your camera (or secondary camera). Any lag can miss an expression, pinch of a cheek, peck on the cheek etc. Events are dynamic and not static like portraits, posed family shots etc. Even doing a family session with young kids I still prefer using my canon gear as I document adventurous silly kids doing what kids do that is unscripted. Under the hustle of running and gunning during a paid event is entirely a different than how I document my casual family life photos.

Consecutive photos documenting sports with short burst of spray and pray acquiring focus is entirely different to documenting an event capturing a slit second of unscripted facial expression/moments. I'll admit some of reception photos have a nice chunk of time to document but some emotional interaction there no room to have any shutter lag. Just that ever so slight lag of AF can miss a killer shot.

The 5dmk2 is getting old but the center focus/single shot (never AI servo)is extremely fast with no shutter lag. Did you watch and hear what Chris Niccolls said about your Fuji body?? The Camera store IMO is quite accurate in their reviews on camera gear.

This shutter lag on the X-T10/X-T1 is just enough to miss a a fraction of a second. I've had more saggy eyed shots with my Fuji over my Canon 5dmk2 or 5dmk3. My assumption is the X-T2 is well received simply because Fuji finally put emphasis on the complaints of the sluggish shutter lag of the 16mp bodies. IF Fuji introduced the X-T2 with no difference in AF but new 24mp sensor I think Fuji folks would be in rage. Everyone was anticipating better AF and they delivered.

Bobby if you getting perfect shots in events that is excellent. My experience with 16mp fuji bodies is definitely echoing many fuji bloggers discussing 16mpx fuji body shutter lag. This is probably the difference of how you shoot vs my style of shooting.

I feel refreshed shooting the 80D and 5dmk3 for fast AF compared to my 16MP Fuji bodies. This does NOT mean I do not love my fuji though!!!


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Nov 30, 2016 21:09 |  #45

I'm no expert, but I've learned through experience that if I'm not anticipating a moment of action (or interaction) and don't start shooting from before the time I anticipate it until the interaction is over, it's a million to one that I get the shot. If I see the interaction (or moment) and think "man, I've got to get this shot" no matter what camera system I have, it's too late. I don't know if that makes sense, or maybe I'm just crazy.


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