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5Dmk4 upgrade. Tell me all about it. Please.

 
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Dec 01, 2016 15:11 |  #16

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18200338 (external link)
The 5D4 will give you;

Better image quality:
- More detail
- better darks and highlights
- more dynamic range
- less / more pleasing grain/noise in low light high ISO settings.

You can shoot in much darker environments.

Vastly improved AF:
- Vast number of AF points over wider array for better ease of composition.
- With the right optics, all of those AF points will function @ f/8 (5D2 can not AF past f/5.6)
- Virtually every one of the 60 plus AF points will function better, in low and normal light than the 5D2.
- Tracking in AI Servo will be the best Canon has to offer.
- Live view AF is amazing!
- No performance reduction built in when using Teleconverters (this is unlike any previous model)

Lots of ergonomic upgrades:
- Touch screen for fast set up/menus and live view AF
- AF Zone selector
- AF Point selector
- AF ON button.
- A number of customizable buttons
- 3 Camera set up presets on control dial

Flash Support:
- Fully compatible with Canon's in camera flash controls.
- Fast sync speeds

Card performance:
- Dual slots for flexibility in type of card used, and for on-board back up.
- Faster write times and buffer.
- Faster frames per second.

Built in Doodads:
- Wifi
- GPS

.. and more! ;)


SOLD!!! Give me 2!! But really ... thanks!


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Dec 01, 2016 15:15 |  #17

NatsRoses wrote in post #18200359 (external link)
YES!! Funny you mention it, because I have been LUSTING over the 24-70L mk2. I love, love this lens but do believe it is the cause of most of my focusing issues, I sent it to Canon to "repair" and clean they charged me $300 and it came back EXACTLY the same. I don't care what they say, but I swear they didn't touch it. even the same spots were there. But boy, when that lens is sharp, it's sharp! I can't even imagine how wonderful the mk2 would be.

If you use the 24-70L f/2.8 alot I urge you to testing a mk2 for yourself. My experience is that it's ridiculously accurate and absolutely tack sharp at all focal lengths.

My Mk1 version was very good after I sent it in for re calibration. However the mk2 is a different level of micro contrast and sharpness.

What you'll find is that many new fresh lenses from Canon will resist flare so much that it can be difficult to get beautiful sun flares in some type of photos.

Looked at your photos.....you have a "great EYE" :)


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Dec 01, 2016 15:19 |  #18

AlanU wrote in post #18200350 (external link)
Jake,

That is quite a list of things about the 5dmk4 :)

Take a look at the OP's webpage and you'll see that virtually all of the photos are in ideal lighting. Even a Canon 6d would easily be a big improvement over the 5dmk2 if there is a need to improve low light performance.

I really wish the 5dmk4 was $3500 CDN on par with the substantially "cheaper" price in the US :(

I see benefits of lens upgrade and 5dmk3 for portrait/ideal light situations. If the OP was a fast paced wedding/events photog I would probably say buy the 5dmk4 and slowly replace lenses.


Jake, so one of the reasons I do want to upgrade is that I recently moved to Jewish community/area and have slowly but steadily been asked to shoot Bar mitzvahs, it won t be my main source of income/clients but I'd like to provide the best quality I can (although I swear "normal" people cannot see grain to save their lives ... even spot on focused photos, that and "soft ones are the same to them) But I CAN tell and it makes me cringe when I don't hand over the best I know is available. A better focusing/lowlight functioning camera would definitely help with that crazy chair Hora dance.

Although, the thought now of getting the mk3 AND upgrading to the 24-70mk2 is sounding really good right now.


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Dec 01, 2016 15:24 |  #19

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18200358 (external link)
Hi Alan, I am not debating your reply, just answering the OP's specific question. :)

All that looking at Nathalie's website did for me was illustrate that in her hands pretty much any camera will do nicely, and with a Rebel she'd take better photos than I do! :)


Where is the "I will love you forever" emoji???? <3 Thanks CyberDyne!


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Dec 01, 2016 15:25 |  #20

NatsRoses wrote in post #18200376 (external link)
Jake, so one of the reasons I do want to upgrade is that I recently moved to Jewish community/area and have slowly but steadily been asked to shoot Bar mitzvahs, it won t be my main source of income/clients but I'd like to provide the best quality I can (although I swear "normal" people cannot see grain to save their lives ... even spot on focused photos, that and "soft ones are the same to them) But I CAN tell and it makes me cringe when I don't hand over the best I know is available. A better focusing/lowlight functioning camera would definitely help with that crazy chair Hora dance.

Although, the thought now of getting the mk3 AND upgrading to the 24-70mk2 is sounding really good right now.


I just used the 5D4 for a baptism in a dark Latino Roman Catholic church, and it was wonderful!
I'd use the 5D3 a few times in similar church settings, and never did they look quite as good. 5D3 was certainly up to the task, and my best body for it, but the 4 is certainly the next level.
High ISO settings are never a worry to get the shutter speeds required for a sharp image even with unpredictable baby movements, etc.

The 5D4 low light AF is really tops. Amazing ability to work in low light, even with my 3rd party Tamron 24-70mm.


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Dec 01, 2016 15:26 |  #21

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Bastards! ;-)a Don't they know they can't be messing' with our babies.

In their defense, I complained and Amazon offered to send a replacement immediately. Without waiting for the one I had to be returned. (I'd be billed if I didn't return it.) What else could they do? I declined. It worked fine until I sold it.




  
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Dec 01, 2016 21:19 |  #22

NatsRoses wrote in post #18200342 (external link)
You know and I always complain because Amazon tends to OVER package everything they send me (and it's a lot), I find it so wasteful many times, so I'm surprise you had that experience.

I order all of my camera gear from Amazon and have had nothing but excellent service from them. However, for larger purchases like camera bodies and lenses I make sure the item is "shipped and sold by Amazon.com". Amazon will also sell products that are listed on their site by 3rd parties and they don't ship directly from Amazon and I avoid those types of products for more expensive purchases.


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Dec 01, 2016 21:33 |  #23

Just my thoughts!

Please note that I am not a people photographer, but firstly I would highly recommend the Canon 24-70 F2.8 L Mk2. Why? Because I own one and it is simply a stunning lens, yes it's sharp but it is more down to the way this lens renders colours and perspective that makes it one of my favourites. Yes I am biased towards this lens, but if you try one you will be too!

As to the 5D4? My experience of this camera is limited - but positive. It functions very nicely and is quick + accurate on AF, produces very good files, plenty of resolution etc etc.

However have you considered the 5DSR? True it does not have the high ISO performance of some cameras but it can stand very high amounts of noise reduction and still produce files with lots of detail. More importantly it is cheaper - which might allow you to get the 24-70 F2.8 L Mk2?

I told you I was biased! Get a 24-70 F2.8 Mk2 then go look for a camera:twisted:


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Dec 01, 2016 22:39 |  #24

Like the OP I too have been seriously considering a purchase of the mark 4. For those who own the camera. If I buy a dvd stand alone version of LR6 will the RAW files be recognized? I do not want to subscribe.




  
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Dec 02, 2016 09:58 |  #25

I'de also get the 24-70ii first and see if that's enough before upgrading the body. You're basically paying for early adopters fee with a new body, and a 5D3 would give more value for what you shoot..... or get the body next year sometime when prices start dropping.


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Dec 02, 2016 11:01 |  #26

AlanU wrote in post #18200314 (external link)
Looking at your portfolio you'd benefit probably more by adding a 24-70L f/2.8 mk2 and other lenses...as well as lighting. 5d3 has more than enough accurate outer focus points and capture fast action too.

Fringing is not caused by your camera body. If your using your 85 f/1.8 that'll purple fringe badly wideopen. If you bought an 85Lmk2 it's just as bad at PF!!

5d4 is on my radar but for $4500CDN it's not going to improve my images drastically even if it gives me a tad more resolution and better high ISO.

If I primarily shot portraits in available light I think I'd be investing more in a fuji X-T2 w/ 56 f/1.2 / 90 f/2 over a 5dmk4 with 85 f/1.8/85Lmk2. Fuji gear has such a more natural organic look that my Canon 5d classic provided me years ago. 5dmk2 to 5dmk4 provides canon looking files that are definitely more digital looking. This is one reason why I love both systems I use.

If you purchase a new 24-70L f/2.8mk2 its an extremely accurate focussing lens over the 24-70L mk1. Prime like qualities too!!!

The 5dmk4 is a beast but looking at your portfolio and gear list your already doing a killer job. Having a 5dmk3 is a big jump from your 5dmk2. Putting fresh new lenses will improve your IQ and even perspective in your photography.

I still use my 5dmk2 (low mileage) for alot of applications and I do not miss that many shots. Better gear helps so I wont disagree. Only benefits going to a 5dmk4 for me is more resolution, better shadow recovery. The 5d3 AF is more than enough for my shooting needs.

There is a big difference between 85 1.8 and the 85 1.2L II regarding fringing. I used the 85 1.8 before getting the 85L II. I often shoot with the 85L in daylight for static nature objects wide open and if closed down to f/1.8 this lens show less fringing than 85 1.8 at f1.8. There is CA but it is possible to reduce it to non in Lightroom. The fringing from 85 1.8 was so severe it was not possible to get rid of it in Lightroom without producing grey lines around the details where the fringing occured. If low fringing is important get the 85L.




  
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Dec 02, 2016 14:17 as a reply to  @ the hulk's post |  #27

I do on the L version. It's a nice lens but for indoor work the F1 .8 version is fantastic .

I regret selling the F1 .8 version. I only use my L version when I want the F1.2 look .


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Dec 08, 2016 11:55 |  #28

If I may add a question to this thread. I am shooting with a 7D Mk2 and a 7D. I have never shot with a full sensor so I am very interested in at the very least, trying it out. The low light situations I shoot in more often now with my crop sensors just aren't working for me with the amount of noise and post that I have to do. Can I ask anyone about switching or at least adding a Full sensor to my gear list? Lenses aren't the issue. Have all the 2.8 glass I need from 16mm through 200mm....

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Dec 08, 2016 15:21 |  #29

My 7D2 files and 5D3 are hard to tell apart after processing up to 3200 or so.. then the 5D3 pulls ahead.

I'm not sure the 5D4 is where you want to go as far as high ISO, as the 5D4 and 5D3 are about the same from 640 ISO on. The 5D3 may be enough for your needs.

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Dec 08, 2016 15:54 as a reply to  @ ksbal's post |  #30

I was talking about more in general (cropped vs. full) as opposed to body specific (5D3, 4, 6D, etc)... But thanks. Any more info?


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