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Nov 29, 2016 19:23 as a reply to  @ post 18198517 |  #16

Tried lots of different batteries. No-workie.




  
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Nov 29, 2016 19:24 |  #17

PhotosGuy wrote in post #18198510 (external link)
If I remember right, it was destroyed by a a Sufi Muslim in the 1,300s.

I'll have to take your word for that. I'm not that old. :)


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Nov 29, 2016 19:29 |  #18

I thought it was Napoleon, must be one of those urban legends.

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Nov 29, 2016 19:32 as a reply to  @ post 18198551 |  #19

"Yeah, lack of use causes problems. Mostly, remembering which doohickey button does what."

Man, ain't that the truth!




  
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Nov 30, 2016 03:05 |  #20

I had an IR-converted 10D that didn't see any action since I got my 1D2, tried firing it up after 3 years of inactivity and it no-showed. Must have decided that I didn't need it so it didn't need me.
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Nov 30, 2016 11:34 |  #21

Some of the older cameras had some sort of internal button battery, did they not? do these die and make the Camera a brick?


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Nov 30, 2016 11:55 |  #22

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What is your opinion about lack of equipment use leading to failure?

I have a 17-85mm EF-S that lost it’s Auto Focus after a number if years of non-use, and I recently picked up my 20D and noticed that it has failed completely. Checked the operating battery and replaced the internal battery with no results. Totally dead.

It’s not really much of a big deal because I obviously don’t use these, but I’m curious about others experience in this regard.

Thanks.

The 17-85 has well known and serious ribbon cable issues, and who knows what the trouble is with your 20D. Some equipment may fail, and other unused equipment seems to last forever. I have a lovely Christmas tie given to me close to 20 years ago. In it is sewn a tiny, cheap electronic non replaceable battery powered device that plays Jingle Bells when squeezed. I haven't worn the tie in 10-12 years. Tried it yesterday and much to my amazement, it still played Jingle Bells. Go figure.


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Nov 30, 2016 11:56 |  #23

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Some of the older cameras had some sort of internal button battery, did they not? do these die and make the Camera a brick?

When my 5Dc died a few months ago, I called Canon to inquire an internal battery...they said there was no such battery, and Canon no longer worked on the 5D (and the Canon Loyalty Program had become a joke in terms of its benefits to loyal owners!).
I later found an independent who still repairs 5D and sent it to them...replacement circuit and I had them do the preventative fix for mirror coming loose, too. The replacement cost and unknown history of a used 5D made repairs of a low shutter count camera well worthwhile.

The Canon 40D clearly has a CR2016 battery subcompartment marked inside the main battery compartment. I had to dig up the 5D manual to find the location of its CR2016 battery compartment.
Canon documentation says this is only a Date/Time battery, and does not mention its requirement for memory of other settings.


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Nov 30, 2016 12:13 |  #24

Beat me to it, although I doubt Napoleon himself ordered his men to blow it off.

Napoleon wasn't born yet when the nose was destroyed.

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Nov 30, 2016 12:29 |  #25

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18199187 (external link)
Some of the older cameras had some sort of internal button battery, did they not? do these die and make the Camera a brick?

All have an internal battery, but it's just for time, date and menu memory. Otherwise the camera would reset every time you took the main battery out.




  
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Nov 30, 2016 16:53 |  #26

Wilt wrote in post #18199208 (external link)
When my 5Dc died a few months ago, I called Canon to inquire an internal battery...they said there was no such battery, and Canon no longer worked on the 5D (and the Canon Loyalty Program had become a joke in terms of its benefits to loyal owners!).
I later found an independent who still repairs 5D and sent it to them...replacement circuit and I had them do the preventative fix for mirror coming loose, too. The replacement cost and unknown history of a used 5D made repairs of a low shutter count camera well worthwhile.

The Canon 40D clearly has a CR2016 battery subcompartment marked inside the main battery compartment. I had to dig up the 5D manual to find the location of its CR2016 battery compartment.
Canon documentation says this is only a Date/Time battery, and does not mention its requirement for memory of other settings.

How much did a 5d repair run you?


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Dec 01, 2016 11:51 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #27

Getting an operational 5D, with the reduced risk of the reflex mirror coming off (it did not get the retrofit from Canon, in spite of what the prior owner thought), cost $400.


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Dec 03, 2016 03:52 |  #28

Storage conditions play a big role. Temp, humidity, air pollution, sunlight, different kinds of dust. gases exuded from cabinet materials and other materials stored in the same container or location, all may lead to corrosion and/or breakdown of materials. Electrolysis, release of gases and interaction between materials within the devices themselves, multiplied by temperature, humidity, air pollution and other factors may lead to devices' self-destruction.

There is no perfect long term storage condition, however temps below 16C, humidity below 35% and chemically stable containers will help. My worst storage error was a film body and three lenses stored in a leather bag for a couple of years...in the tropics. When I opened the bag, all I could see was green dust and tendrils, glass all etched and the body was a green corroded brick. :rolleyes:


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Dec 03, 2016 04:44 |  #29

After 35 years of marriage, 2 daughters all of us whom hoards things for no good reason we have a house full to the roof of things not used. No surprise then that I say I have eleven Dslrs, eleven flashguns, couple dozen lenses, umpteen camera batteries, a hundred or so AA's, half-dozen pocket wizards and a handful of P&S.

The Canon EOS1D was purchased second-hand in c2005 being one of the first (apparently) in the UK with a 4mp sensor it worked ok when I last saw it but I cannot find it at the moment, the 10D and 40D have had new batteries but haven't been used for years, but last night when I charged up both sets of 1Dmk4 batteries they didn't even need refreshing.

The thing is when I find a body I do tend to charge it up and go around the house and shoot loads of random stuff on continous drive running the shutter maybe a couple hundred times. Same with anything I get around to finding/using.

My parents tho can break a new vacuum cleaner in a year or so, run it 15 secs, then off to move a chair, on for five secs, then move the chair back and so on through the house. Maybe it goes on/off a hundred times in an hour whereas if it was run for an hour solid the comparative wear would probably be five percent compared to their habits.

So, I would say lack of use does ruin things, or maybe not using things for long enough/hard enough each time it's brought out... must go and find that 1Dmk1 body today :rolleyes:


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Dec 03, 2016 05:04 |  #30

Think I remember reading somewhere from Canon that for storage only to partially charge batteries, not fully charge, and to store batteries separate from the gear.


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