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Nov 29, 2016 12:06 |  #61

DagoImaging wrote in post #18192975 (external link)
I agree...but being in software development myself I completely understand their reasons for releasing it as they did. I will continue to use it, crash it and submit bug reports. The same way I did when I did the LR beta v1.

I think I will take up that mantle once the first production version is out. Then I think it will be ready to do some tests with, including the basics of raw conversion (versus all of the effects and local editing, etc.).

If the raw conversion is not very good, then there needs to be a very compelling reason to use it for something beyond the current On1 suite of Effects.

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Nov 29, 2016 13:32 |  #62

DagoImaging wrote in post #18198074 (external link)
As I browse folders in onOne Raw from years ago, it does read the metadata that I applied in LR. I use color coding on images in LR and I can quickly filter those in onOne Raw and get the expected results.
I haven't tried keywords yet, but I'm guessing there is a way to do that as well.

It's one thing browsing folders, and seeing the EXIF data associated with the files in the current folder, and a completely different thing when trying to do the same when searching across multiple drives/folders. When you view a folder the program has to read the EXIF data from each file, but it can prioritise reading the files that are currently visible on the screen, and usually there are a relatively small number of files in any folder, most people will usually try to avoid having tens of thousands of images in the same folder. I use the LR smart collections system to build virtual folder structures that allow one to browse content based on multiple criteria, other than filenames. This is just as easy to do as navigate the actual file system, thanks to the database system that LR uses. Adobe Bridge, their file manager program, with an emphasis on managing visual and multimedia content, now also offers similar smart collection functionality, without the need for the database, and I did a test to see how it performed. I tried pulling all of my Aviation image files into a smart collection, which required scanning some 39500 odd image files, and including about 28000 of them. LR can do this in about ten seconds, while in Bridge it takes a couple of hours to completely scan the directory tree to read the EXIF data from each file and select or discard the file. Even if my smart collection is going to end up displaying a dozen image files, it will still have to wait while it scans all of those tens of thousands of files. This is going to be an issue for any program that has to rely on reading data individually from within each file. Just think how slow it is to run a search for a filename across a complete filesystem, and usually the filename is easily accessible without having to actually open each file and read from it.

Personally I don't think that any system that is not using a database to do the image management is going to be very effective once you start to get into the tens of thousands of images range. It just takes the file system too long to read the required data from each file.

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Nov 29, 2016 13:46 |  #63

Anyone else finding that rendering taking a long time after working in Effects?




  
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Nov 29, 2016 13:52 |  #64

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Anyone else finding that rendering taking a long time after working in Effects?

Yes.

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Nov 29, 2016 14:06 |  #65

kirkt wrote in post #18198215 (external link)
Yes.

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Thanks Kirk. I will report that to them. I do like how speedy it is to switch between the modules. And I like how you can target the reflect to midtones or shadows.




  
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Nov 29, 2016 14:19 |  #66

DagoImaging wrote in post #18198074 (external link)
As I browse folders in onOne Raw from years ago, it does read the metadata that I applied in LR. I use color coding on images in LR and I can quickly filter those in onOne Raw and get the expected results.
I haven't tried keywords yet, but I'm guessing there is a way to do that as well.

It will do it for me in single folders with relatively few images, but I often search my entire disk for a particular species of bird. On1 Photo cannot do that, and I doubt that On1 Raw will be able to either.


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Nov 29, 2016 17:16 as a reply to  @ pknight's post |  #67

I understand your struggle although it doesn't apply to me. My folder arrangement makes my life easier it seems.


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Nov 30, 2016 02:33 |  #68

On1 raw does work with a database in the background, it is not needed but does speed up things and help with searching on keywords and such.
All you need to do is drop the top directory on the "indexed folder" spot
After this it will start indexing the folders and building previews. On1 will watch the indexed folders for any changes
This works for me, although i don't know how well it tracks changes

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Nov 30, 2016 03:08 |  #69

Zooming in and panning doesn't work for me.




  
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Nov 30, 2016 06:12 |  #70

Arend wrote in post #18198853 (external link)
On1 raw does work with a database in the background, it is not needed but does speed up things and help with searching on keywords and such.
All you need to do is drop the top directory on the "indexed folder" spot
After this it will start indexing the folders and building previews. On1 will watch the indexed folders for any changes
This works for me, although i don't know how well it tracks changes

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This sounds like what On1 Photo 10 does with images tagged as "favorites." Perhaps it works better in On1 Raw, but it was a bust for me in Photo 10. I have been asking On1 about searching for months, with no response except an unfulfilled promise to have somebody get back to me. Once somebody has indexed 50,000 or more images and can tell me that it allows the types of searches I can do in LR (with a non-beta version of the software, to be fair to On1), I will look at this program again.


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Dec 02, 2016 13:34 |  #71

The ON1 Photo RAW sale that was advertised to end Nov. 28, is still on.

Not quite the kind of marketing that I'm attracted to... :rolleyes:




  
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Dec 02, 2016 14:30 |  #72

agedbriar wrote in post #18201252 (external link)
The ON1 Photo RAW sale that was advertised to end Nov. 28, is still on.

Not quite the kind of marketing that I'm attracted to... :rolleyes:

Not that unusual though. I've noticed some big name stores doing the same thing, extending the Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales.

I downloaded it, and played with it a little. It is a true beta (buggy) version. I've had it crash working on simple jpegs, the screen tool (grid, loupe or solo) buttons disappear where I had to use keyboard shortcuts, panels misbehave, and be slower than On1 10. I am a Plus member, and my membership expires at the end of this month. I've not been impressed enough to renew it.

It seems that everyone at On 1 are Landscape photographers, thus everything seems geared towards that one genre. Most all the videos are centered around post-processing landscapes. They leave out a lot of people.


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Dec 03, 2016 07:12 |  #73

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It seems that everyone at On 1 are Landscape photographers, thus everything seems geared towards that one genre. Most all the videos are centered around post-processing landscapes. They leave out a lot of people.

Now that you mention it, that does seem to be the case. I suspect that the effects are most impressive with landscapes, but other types of photographers don't get much in the way of advice/assistance.


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Dec 06, 2016 10:34 |  #74

An FYI:

https://on1help.zendes​k.com …nd-Activate-ON1-Photo-RAW (external link)

A v2 of the Pre-Release version of ON1 Photo Raw has been released. I received an email alerting me - it linked me to the above page.

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Dec 06, 2016 14:39 |  #75

kirkt wrote in post #18205049 (external link)
A v2 of the Pre-Release version of ON1 Photo Raw has been released.

Still no Navigation, Loupe, or Histogram


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