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Dec 05, 2016 21:35 |  #16

For versatility, the choices are either the 100-400 II which is the top dog, the Sigma you mentioned and the new Tamron. The 400/5.6 is a great lens, very light with excellent AF, but it is a prime and doesn't have IS, so it has its limitations in that regard. Buy the 10-400 II if you can afford it, otherwise the other two are pretty good alternatives.


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Dec 08, 2016 17:07 |  #17

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For versatility, the choices are either the 100-400 II which is the top dog, the Sigma you mentioned and the new Tamron. The 400/5.6 is a great lens, very light with excellent AF, but it is a prime and doesn't have IS, so it has its limitations in that regard. Buy the 10-400 II if you can afford it, otherwise the other two are pretty good alternatives.

I think where I am is the sigma 150 to 600 or the prime Canon 400 f5.6. I just can't decide, still reading everything I can.


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Dec 08, 2016 17:37 as a reply to  @ Mudhog79's post |  #18

See if you can get out and try them. Many photographers are happy to discuss their gear and, maybe, let you try it out. Others are not so tread softly - personally I am more than happy to let people play.
I lean towards the 400 F5.6 L - but that is me, not you! I am more concerned about AF and don't like IS, however if reach is your goal than the 150-600 may be the better option.

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Dec 08, 2016 22:23 as a reply to  @ johnf3f's post |  #19

That's a good suggestion from John, go try them. For me I have a 1 1/2 hour drive to the nearest camera store that will have the 150-600 and a Canon 400 but it would be worth my time. The store I go to will let me attach a lens and take a few shots just outside their door from the sidewalk, at least a person can compare the two and get a feel for the lens. Not ideal conditions maybe but there will be people, passing cars, perhaps a few birds or planes in the sky.

Mudhog79, It sounds like you are real close to having a new lens on your camera.:-)


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Dec 08, 2016 22:39 |  #20

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That's a good suggestion from John, go try them. For me I have a 1 1/2 hour drive to the nearest camera store that will have the 150-600 and a Canon 400 but it would be worth my time. The store I go to will let me attach a lens and take a few shots just outside their door from the sidewalk, at least a person can compare the two and get a feel for the lens. Not ideal conditions maybe but there will be people, passing cars, perhaps a few birds or planes in the sky.

Mudhog79, It sounds like you are real close to having a new lens on your camera.:-)

I'm the same. I can go to my local mom and pop store and try any gear outside but there are usually no birds around. I try to shoot moving vehicles but I'm so self conscious doing that. I only try to shoot when someones back is turned but even then.


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Dec 08, 2016 22:41 |  #21

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... Now tell my why i shouldnt buy this lens, i am looking to stay around $1000.00 +/- $200.

Because it is often on sale around Christmas for around $800.00


Update after reading some of the posts below.

I think I am going to hold off and look at the Canon 400mm f5.6 L a little more before deciding.
I may even rent one or both of these to see how I like them.

The 400mm prime is an amazing lens and currently used at a fantastic price. It however has a number of drawbacks vs the other lens, no IS, no 600mm no 150mm etc.


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Dec 09, 2016 15:52 |  #22

Sigma 150-600 C is a winner.
With wildlife the environment its so varied and you'll be shooting in nice light one minute then could be under cover in the woods in the next. close in or faraway.
With the Canon 5.6l and a crop body your looking at 1/640 sec or more, below that keeper rate will drop unless you us a support. It''s good for Bif, I don't see hardly any at the hides and reserves most use the Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm besides f5.6 still isn't that fast. You have more features to use and is a lot cheaper and in the field the zooms are more flexible with the ever changing situations.
Here's a Robin I recently took in my garden light was poor and handheld 600mm f6.3 1/40 sec dont think the Canon could do that.


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Dec 10, 2016 10:26 |  #23

I have the 400 5.6, my only complaint is the 12 ft MFD.


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Dec 10, 2016 17:33 as a reply to  @ Sgt.'s post |  #24

This can be reduced a bit with extension tubes, which are dirt cheap, not ideal but a workaround.


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Dec 11, 2016 14:26 |  #25

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Sigma 150-600 C is a winner.
With wildlife the environment its so varied and you'll be shooting in nice light one minute then could be under cover in the woods in the next. close in or faraway.
With the Canon 5.6l and a crop body your looking at 1/640 sec or more, below that keeper rate will drop unless you us a support. It''s good for Bif, I don't see hardly any at the hides and reserves most use the Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm besides f5.6 still isn't that fast. You have more features to use and is a lot cheaper and in the field the zooms are more flexible with the ever changing situations.
Here's a Robin I recently took in my garden light was poor and handheld 600mm f6.3 1/40 sec dont think the Canon could do that.

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Great photo and thanks for the reply with photo. Do you feel it is pretty heavy to carry around? I see a good bit of people reporting shooting this handheld i just have no comparison for a lens in the 5 to 6 lb range. Do you feel the AF works well on locking on with this lens?

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Dec 11, 2016 14:40 as a reply to  @ Mudhog79's post |  #26

it is just a bit over 4lbs...handholding is obviously person dependent...but i'd think that weight is definitely doable...i'd grab a 2-liter bottle of water/soda...hold it out like a lens, and you're pretty close to the same weight


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Dec 11, 2016 14:50 |  #27

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Great photo and thanks for the reply with photo. Do you feel it is pretty heavy to carry around? I see a good bit of people reporting shooting this handheld i just have no comparison for a lens in the 5 to 6 lb range. Do you feel the AF works well on locking on with this lens?

Thanks again.

I'm a Carpenter so fairly strong, I've carried it about with no probs, the longest being 10 miles. Shooting handheld does require technique it is long and heavy, but you so get used to it. I try to use it in the field with a tripod or mono pod.
AF is good as expected in good light and in low light can hunt a bit. It does when trying to focus on a BIF be a bit slow. Close in can snap into focus quick.
Have a look at my Gallery for some images take with this lens in various situations.


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Dec 14, 2016 21:34 |  #28

An update for today, i updated the original post but have added here as well.


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I think i have now narrowed down my selection. I dont want to be stuck at 400mm so i have decided to look more at the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM Lens and the Sigma 150mm - 600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM "Contemporary" Lens. They both have IS, the Canon is a little faster but the Sigma have a little more reach. Neither is weather proof. I hear the Canon referred to as a dust pump but from what i can tell from reading this is not really an issue. I know there is a new Canon MKII but it is not in my price range. he Sigma is heavier. Any reason to choose one over the other other than cost as it looks like i can get the Sigma for a better deal.

Has anyone seen recently these lenses for a good price? I have seen the Canon for $1299 and the Sigma for $989 including the docking station.


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Dec 14, 2016 23:27 |  #29

Let me correct you on some of your statement,

The SIGMA has a LOT more reach!

The "dust pump" effect will happen to any zoom that extends it;s length, via push pull or twist, as the internal volume obviously increases as it extends. People's belif that push pull did something magic to make it worse is inaccurate.

I owned the 100-400mm for over a decade, it was my go to wildlife zoom, and the best for what it did the whole time I owned it.

Now I own the MkII AND the SIGMA C.
The SIGMA Beats the old version of the 100-400mm in every way with two exceptipons;

- Weight
- Speed of zooming.

But NOTHING beats the old 100-400mm in the latter regard, not even the new MkII, due it's magnificently instantaneous push pull zoom.

For the same price, I would go with the much more "contemporary" lens design, the SIGMA with better IS, better range,. better IQ, and in many ways better AF.


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Dec 14, 2016 23:28 as a reply to  @ Mudhog79's post |  #30

canon for $1299 new? i'd buy it used...it should be like under $800 used...that might even be high...the value of it really went down with all the newer longer lenses...

as far as the sigma being slower...it's f5.6 up to 387mm...so it's really just slower in that tiny bit at the end...but you gain the longer length...there's also the tamron lenses...the two 150-600mm's they offer are both f5.6 up to 427mm...so you're not giving up speed...

people will say the lenses will not be the best for BIF, but i'm sure with some practice you could still probably pull off some shots...maybe not every shot in accession, but it's still possible


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