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Dec 31, 2016 19:30 |  #5086

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definitely keep it jeff :grin:

I think he may fight me on that one lol. But I do think mine has turned out some Ok stuff....

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Jan 01, 2017 13:20 |  #5087

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I think he may fight me on that one lol. But I do think mine has turned out some Ok stuff....

Went for a little drive in the balmy weather we're having.. Got one or
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Warm and sunny eh?

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Jan 01, 2017 13:49 |  #5088

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Warm and sunny eh?

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Ya ... It's definitely winter. Moving snow has become a full time job.


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Jan 04, 2017 12:17 |  #5089

Hello All,

First post in this thread and I am seeking some advice as to how to get really zingingly sharp bird shots with my 7D2/100-400/1.4x combo.

For example this Great Spotted Woodpecker... he's in some pretty nice low winter sunshine, but I'm finding I need to crank the ISO to 400 in order to raise the shutter speed to get anything like a decent capture.

ISO 400 - f11 - 1/200... what should I concentrate on improving in those numbers?

And it's never as sharp as most of the pics I see here - I just can't get the eyes to go all mirror like, like you folks.

Help a lost soul out please!

Thanks a lot!

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Jan 04, 2017 12:26 |  #5090

Doctor Mabuse wrote in post #18232982 (external link)
Hello All,

First post in this thread and I am seeking some advice as to how to get really zingingly sharp bird shots with my 7D2/100-400/1.4x combo.

For example this Great Spotted Woodpecker... he's in some pretty nice low winter sunshine, but I'm finding I need to crank the ISO to 400 in order to raise the shutter speed to get anything like a decent capture.

ISO 400 - f11 - 1/200... what should I concentrate on improving in those numbers?

And it's never as sharp as most of the pics I see here - I just can't get the eyes to go all mirror like, like you folks.

Help a lost soul out please!

Thanks a lot!

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Welcome to the club, James. You've chosen an excellent model, woodpeckers are really fun to shoot! You're allllllmost there on IQ, just a few small tweaks and you'll be shooting tack sharp. I was in the exact same bind as you when I started shooting this lens, and here's what the gurus here in this thread taught me:

SHUTTER SPEED. Even with the outstanding IS, 1/200 is too slow. Try for f/8, 1/1000 or faster, and whatever ISO gets you there. That was the breakthrough for me with this lens, especially on the dense-sensor crop cameras. You need good light though to achieve that though, otherwise you'll again start running into image degradation, this time from high ISO on the crop camera.



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Jan 04, 2017 12:26 |  #5091

Doctor Mabuse wrote in post #18232982 (external link)
Hello All,

First post in this thread and I am seeking some advice as to how to get really zingingly sharp bird shots with my 7D2/100-400/1.4x combo.

For example this Great Spotted Woodpecker... he's in some pretty nice low winter sunshine, but I'm finding I need to crank the ISO to 400 in order to raise the shutter speed to get anything like a decent capture.

ISO 400 - f11 - 1/200... what should I concentrate on improving in those numbers?

And it's never as sharp as most of the pics I see here - I just can't get the eyes to go all mirror like, like you folks.

Help a lost soul out please!

Thanks a lot!

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Pretty good shot! There might be some motion blur, though, so I would increase the shutter speed or support the camera. And some highlight detail seems to be lost - maybe this could be recovered in the processing. Don't worry about ISO. Sticking to a lower ISO compromises the other settings.


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Jan 04, 2017 12:38 |  #5092

Pondrader wrote in post #18229299 (external link)
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This is a gorgeous shot, I love foxes.

I purchased a copy of this lens during the warmer months and have finally had the chance to play with it a bit. So far, I love it. I'm looking forward to putting it through its paces soon.


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Jan 04, 2017 12:50 as a reply to  @ Doctor Mabuse's post |  #5093

James,

I don't want to derail this thread, but I did a quick correction if you don't mind, I'll show it if you want, let me know.
So the thread doesn't get too derailed you can make your own new thread and that can be all yours to discuss how you want to do 'stuff'.
Actually, if you go to the BIRD TALK that might be the best place.

Let me know and I will post the shot I played with.

Randy

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You need to be 'around' f/8 or less, all depending...
More than likely you'll be 'around' ISO 400 or more.
Your shutter-speed should be 'at least' the same number as your lens focal length, as in 400 or more, more is better if you can. If you don't freeze the action, even if you don't see much action it can show it in the outcome.

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Your shot needed to be on Daylight because your image was pretty yellow and appeared dirty to you when viewed.
If I had your RAW I could make it look pretty good, this jpeg you posted had already lost a considerable amount of information.
(I am not asking for your RAW though, I'm just saying)

Aside from that you actually did pretty good.

I can remember seeing people with all of the details in their shots and wondered how they did that, I asked and was still wondering, so don't worry, you will definitely get there.

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Jan 04, 2017 13:09 |  #5094

Doctor Mabuse wrote in post #18232982 (external link)
Hello All,

First post in this thread and I am seeking some advice as to how to get really zingingly sharp bird shots with my 7D2/100-400/1.4x combo.

For example this Great Spotted Woodpecker... he's in some pretty nice low winter sunshine, but I'm finding I need to crank the ISO to 400 in order to raise the shutter speed to get anything like a decent capture.

ISO 400 - f11 - 1/200... what should I concentrate on improving in those numbers?

And it's never as sharp as most of the pics I see here - I just can't get the eyes to go all mirror like, like you folks.

Help a lost soul out please!

Thanks a lot!

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Nice shot James. A little more shutter speed wouldn't hurt. The warm sun can be easily adjusted in Light Room if desired. All in all I like it.

Mike


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Jan 04, 2017 13:48 |  #5095

Thanks for the encouragement folks!

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You've chosen an excellent model, woodpeckers are really fun to shoot!

‘Fun’ as in flippin’ hard Matthew! One of the shyest, most easily-spooked birds out there I reckon!

I was shooting on a tripod so I switched off IS.

To get up to a shutter speed of 600 @ f8 would have involved bumping ISO to well over 1000 - is that a) necessary and b) OK?


Maybe this shot can be at least partially rescued by someone who knows what they are doing with post-processing because I surely don’t!

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If I had your RAW I could make it look pretty good…

Yes please Randy - would love for you or someone to post up a better version so I/everyone else can see what can be done. At least then I would know my lens is working properly! How can I send it to you? (Looks like I need 20 posts before I can PM anyone.)




  
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Jan 04, 2017 14:01 as a reply to  @ Doctor Mabuse's post |  #5096

James,

Hopefully this comes out side-by-side.
What I previously wrote goes for this, hopefully that made sense.
I don't think that you can send a RAW in this forum, it doesn't matter anyway, this 'should show' you what it could look like if you squint your eyes really, REALLY hard! :)


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Jan 04, 2017 14:08 as a reply to  @ Doctor Mabuse's post |  #5097

Your lens is probably fine, all you need to do is make adjustments on your shooting, shooting above f/8 is not something that you want to do on birds, 99.9% of the time. You went several f/stops over the norm so that is why you feel that you needed to go past ISO 1000, sometimes though the light is not on your side so you do have to up it.
Anyway, as you get more used to it all it will start going together a little better. I am not sure how long you have been shooting but if you are fairly new at it someone that knows how to shoot other than manual can show you, I only shoot manual so I am not the one to show you the other settings. :)
I don't mind answering any questions though if you should.

Edited to add:
The area around the eye may have been recovered, I really didn't go all out, but more than likely it had no information left in it. Like I mentioned, having a RAW can do wonders for you, using a technique like I use or similar will allow you to get stuff that you normally would've thought impossible.

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Jan 04, 2017 14:11 |  #5098

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I was shooting on a tripod so I switched off IS.

Interesting, and good technique. Maybe the significant thing is that critical highlight detail around the eye has been lost. Recrisp's edit suggests the loss is unrecoverable. Just try to watch for bright highlights when shooting, and tone down the exposure if you can. Watch for blinkies!

To get up to a shutter speed of 600 @ f8 would have involved bumping ISO to well over 1000 - is that a) necessary and b) OK?

The old rule about the shutter speed doesn't apply if you were on a tripod. It also doesn't apply if you are hand-holding with IS on. And it is a very rough rule anyway, basically being a numerical coincidence. I set my shutter speed based on what has worked reasonably well for me before.

As far as ISO is concerned, try it. It doesn't cost anything except for time. Most would not consider 1000 to be very high. There is noise reduction capability in post-processing that can help a lot.


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Jan 04, 2017 14:17 |  #5099

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Hopefully this comes out side-by-side... this 'should show' you what it could look like

Randy,

That's witchcraft - how on earth did you do that with just a lousy JPEG? :-) Many thanks - it looks 100 times better!

OK, so maybe my raw shot isn't quite as bad as I thought. Looks like I basically need to raise my shutter speed and get busy in Lightroom, and my 100-400 MkII shots mights stand half a chance in this thread!




  
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Jan 04, 2017 14:22 as a reply to  @ Doctor Mabuse's post |  #5100

Yeah, what you have is not bad at all, and your lens is probably fine, which is always good news. :)
The main thing that is really obvious to me was that you didn't have your light balance corrected, it looked really yellow and blah. Selective sharpening and bring back some of the blown out areas and some that are too dark is all it took.

What I would do is to go to YouTube and see if you can find something that will help you in that area, I go there all of the time and learn stuff, it's free, there's a LOT of people that show others how to do all kinds of things too, pretty cool. :)

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