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Jan 05, 2017 22:21 |  #5131

First photo ever with this lens.


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Jan 06, 2017 02:51 |  #5132

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At a certain point, you'll want to remove the 1.4x in order to gain back that stop of light, and maybe drop SS down to 1/640. That'll get you some more light gathering, but you'll lose reach.

Yes of course. I am experiencing the same battle as everyone else with the extender!

The question for a beginner like me is: Do I get fully proficient with the camera and the 100-400 lens (and cropping!) without the extender, and then add it into my set-up later OR if we accept that I'll be using the extender 99% of the time for birds anyway treat the whole as one integrated f8 set-up and learn to shoot from the ground up with that?

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Jan 06, 2017 04:35 |  #5133

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First photo ever with this lens.

Looking good! Your 100-400 II takes some nice photos! ;-)a

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Yes of course. I am experiencing the same battle as everyone else with the extender!

The question for a beginner like me is: Do I get fully proficient with the camera and the 100-400 lens (and cropping!) without the extender, and then add it into my set-up later OR if we accept that I'll be using the extender 99% of the time for birds anyway treat the whole as one integrated f8 set-up and learn to shoot from the ground up with that?

Schroedinger's Extender Problem - you simultaneously want it and don't want it! :-)

Having more reach is great, especially for the smaller backyard type birds. If the light is really good I shoot with extender probably 90% of the time because the lens loses barely any IQ with it, so why not? Once ISO starts creeping up, retreat back to the bare lens to extend shooting time. Some days though, I go bare lens just to get the best IQ.


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Jan 06, 2017 04:58 |  #5134

Who is using a 1.4x v2?


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Jan 06, 2017 07:50 |  #5135

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Yes of course. I am experiencing the same battle as everyone else with the extender!

The question for a beginner like me is: Do I get fully proficient with the camera and the 100-400 lens (and cropping!) without the extender, and then add it into my set-up later OR if we accept that I'll be using the extender 99% of the time for birds anyway treat the whole as one integrated f8 set-up and learn to shoot from the ground up with that?

Schroedinger's Extender Problem - you simultaneously want it and don't want it! :-)

Did you say there was a RAW file available for that last bird shot you posted so we can give it a try? I have version III and I had to MFA quite at bit. More than I normally like to see that amount but it doesn't need much without the TC so not much can be done.

I just shot these a few days ago. Not the best conditions. Hand held.

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I'm thinking if you are new at this and getting frustrated maybe put the 1.4 away for a while until as you said get comfortable. You can really crop quite a bit without it. I rarely used it on my 1.4 on my 7D2.

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I'm starting to use it a lot more on my 5D4 to compensate for the loss of reach. I used a monopod here. I have yet to test BIF as winter has hit hard and I don't find a lot of birds around to do this.

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Jan 06, 2017 08:58 |  #5136

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Did you say there was a RAW file available for that last bird shot you posted so we can give it a try? I have version III and I had to MFA quite at bit. More than I normally like to see that amount but it doesn't need much without the TC so not much can be done.

I just shot these a few days ago. Not the best conditions. Hand held.

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18234584

I'm thinking if you are new at this and getting frustrated maybe put the 1.4 away for a while until as you said get comfortable. You can really crop quite a bit without it. I rarely used it on my 1.4 on my 7D2.

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I'm starting to use it a lot more on my 5D4 to compensate for the loss of reach. I used a monopod here. I have yet to test BIF as winter has hit hard and I don't find a lot of birds around to do this.

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I use the 1.4X on the 5D4 for the same reason (loss of reach vs. crop), and have stopped using it on my 80D. The reason is the loss of light and subsequent boost in ISO to compensate. On the FF camera, the 1 stop is easier to manage due to the better noise control at higher ISO. On the 80D, the crop factor and pixel density allow for better cropping as well, so the TC isn't as necessary... of course if light is excellent, I'll use the TC for that extra reach.


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Jan 06, 2017 09:04 |  #5137

I also really like using all the AF modes when shooting BIF and although I can use centre point only @ f8 with my 7D2 I really like the zone AF modes. Looking forward to trying the 5D4 out.


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Jan 06, 2017 14:21 |  #5138

Doctor Mabuse wrote in post #18235086 (external link)
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Schroedinger's Extender Problem - you simultaneously want it and don't want it! :-)

lol :)

I have always been an "add extender when needed" proponent, but if you intend to shoot with the extender all the time, that certainly turns that idea on it's head.


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Jan 06, 2017 14:47 |  #5139

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Jan 06, 2017 18:23 |  #5140

digital paradise wrote in post #18235244 (external link)
Did you say there was a RAW file available for that last bird shot you posted so we can give it a try? I have version III and I had to MFA quite at bit. More than I normally like to see that amount but it doesn't need much without the TC so not much can be done.

I just shot these a few days ago. Not the best conditions. Hand held.

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18234584

I'm thinking if you are new at this and getting frustrated maybe put the 1.4 away for a while until as you said get comfortable. You can really crop quite a bit without it. I rarely used it on my 1.4 on my 7D2.

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I'm starting to use it a lot more on my 5D4 to compensate for the loss of reach. I used a monopod here. I have yet to test BIF as winter has hit hard and I don't find a lot of birds around to do this.

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Wow! How far where you?


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Jan 06, 2017 19:14 |  #5141

Playing around with my new lens. CC please.


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Jan 06, 2017 19:41 |  #5142

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Wow! How far where you?

About 15 -20 ft away from both.


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Jan 06, 2017 19:43 |  #5143

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About 15 -20 ft away from both.

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Jan 06, 2017 22:52 |  #5145

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