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Jan 07, 2017 13:25 |  #16

Something I think Kliphe should consider...unlike most folks with very constricted shooting spaces, your spacious area permits you to ignore issues present in small spaces!

  • The small space shooter needs to limit the amount of unwanted bounce back of light by adjacent walls and ceiling...ergo thoughts of 18% gray walls or darker
  • The large space shooter can take advantage of Inverse Square law, and ignore unwanted bounce back
  • if light source is 4' from subject and 8' from adjacent wall, the light striking the wall is already -2EV in intensity before it is further reduced by reflecting off the imperfect reflective surface of the wall (losing another -1EV even from a white wall, or more), and any light bouncing back to the subject is further attenuated in the distance from wall to subject! Light at -3EV is virtually non-existent from a photographic point of view.


IOW, you can choose a brighter tone for the wall without issue!

The need for black wall is useful if doing certain types of shoots entailing open-shutter (Bulb) and/or absolute black background, but backdrops can be set for that, rather than having a permanently black wall.

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Jan 07, 2017 13:47 |  #17

Angmo wrote in post #18236647 (external link)
..Watch the tints in the white paint. Make sure it's actually white...

Angmo actually beat me to this so I will second it and add that the gray background be selected with care. There are warm grays and cool grays that can cast unsightly colors back. What gets reflected back can not be determined by the little sample swatches or from the tint inside the can. You have to consider reflective chroma of the paint not just the color. It all depends on your needs and how restrictive color is for you. Something to keep in mind.


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Jan 07, 2017 14:15 |  #18

Would white walls be easier to make gray when needed. White seems more inviting also. You can always put darker curtains to block light reflection when needed.


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Jan 07, 2017 14:46 |  #19

I'm not involved in the markets the OP listed.

My sensitivity is to white reflective surfaces that make it impossible to achieve deep shadow when desired... but then, I'm not doing portraiture. I'm also shooting mostly video, for which post correction is more like processing jpg than processing raw.

It's easier to add light than take it away. A white ceiling makes a great bounce, but will always reflect any uncontrolled light. My ceiling is dark gray, with lots of soft work light from about 20 paper lanterns on a light string.

I've only flown an overhead reflector once in about 6 years in the space. 9' ceilings. YMMV!


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Jan 07, 2017 14:52 |  #20

My white-walled shooting space, 9'x20' black b/d deployed:

IMAGE: http://patternassociates.com/rico/fm/backdrop1.jpg

Backdrop removed, white BD with grid hitting the white wall. Note low level of stray light:

IMAGE: http://patternassociates.com/rico/fm/bd103.jpg

In summary, white is good and neutral is good. Only the door behind me is not neutral (being brown wood), and it causes remarkable trouble with color casts and reflections. I should paint the damn thing. :)

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Jan 07, 2017 14:55 |  #21

-Duck- wrote in post #18236703 (external link)
Angmo actually beat me to this so I will second it and add that the gray background be selected with care. There are warm grays and cool grays that can cast unsightly colors back. What gets reflected back can not be determined by the little sample swatches or from the tint inside the can. You have to consider reflective chroma of the paint not just the color. It all depends on your needs and how restrictive color is for you. Something to keep in mind.

I can't remember, but I read somewhere someone supplies foto white, grey ... paints. Maybe was a post/thread on this site?


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Jan 07, 2017 18:06 as a reply to  @ post 18236630 |  #22

One fairly big one on the north side


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Jan 07, 2017 18:10 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #23

Thank you for the detailed response! The black wall might be just a occasional use thing, but, it is a look I really want (I will try and find the sports shooter that I want to emulate)


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Jan 12, 2017 09:03 |  #24

If I were building this space it would have a corner cove between one 20 and one 30 foot wall. Also a cove to the floor as well for those two wall. Ceiling needs to be at least 20 feet to have space to get lights and modifiers high enough for standing humans.

Then get paint in at least 5 gallon buckets. You'll need to repaint the coved area quite often. I'd paint the other walls a neutral color and rely on seamless paper for specific shooting situations.

The OP's description makes it sound like each wall is a separate shooting space. In my experience that's not practical. The coved corner is the main shooting space that is flexible.


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Jan 12, 2017 09:41 |  #25

Just a guess, but I would think encountering a HOA in Canyon, TX is about as common as encountering a Democrat.
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Jan 12, 2017 10:33 |  #26

i'm lucky enough to have a studio where the main space is 18 x 40 one end of the studio is grey walls and floor and the other end painted white, each for 10 ft from the wall, That leaves the middle 20 ft of walls for color, which changes now and then. I prefer painted walls over backdrops, no wrinkles and models can lean on them.

the ceiling is a very dark blue, it was that way when we moved in , so just left it that way. Since it works. Its 14 ft high. That was a major plus when we looking for a space. Would happily give up width and length for height

someone else said a totally grey studio feels cold and uninviting. Having the color section in the middle changes that a bit. But yes for sure grey does that. Its still the right choice in my opinion


edit: Since i have been considering moving out of my rental studio and building my own, I have been thinking what I would do. i came up with very close to your thoughts. i would paint 3 walls white, the 4th wall grey, grey floor (until i can afford some sort of hardwood) dark ceiling black or midnight blue. Then i would go buy a few 4 x8 sheets of black foam core.


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Jan 12, 2017 12:02 |  #28

Iancentric wrote in post #18242069 (external link)
i'm lucky enough to have a studio where the main space is 18 x 40 one end of the studio is grey walls and floor and the other end painted white, each for 10 ft from the wall, That leaves the middle 20 ft of walls for color, which changes now and then. I prefer painted walls over backdrops, no wrinkles and models can lean on them.

the ceiling is a very dark blue, it was that way when we moved in , so just left it that way. Since it works. Its 14 ft high. That was a major plus when we looking for a space. Would happily give up width and length for height

someone else said a totally grey studio feels cold and uninviting. Having the color section in the middle changes that a bit. But yes for sure grey does that. Its still the right choice in my opinion


edit: Since i have been considering moving out of my rental studio and building my own, I have been thinking what I would do. i came up with very close to your thoughts. i would paint 3 walls white, the 4th wall grey, grey floor (until i can afford some sort of hardwood) dark ceiling black or midnight blue. Then i would go buy a few 4 x8 sheets of black foam core.

FYI or you already know... you can get faux wood floors from Denny Manufacturing. Allows you to change up whatever you like. Even use a floor for a wall; just hang it. [/B]


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