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Jan 19, 2017 18:50 |  #11911

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Just watched the video and I will probably get that when it comes out. Just for the retouching section if nothing else. One person disliked the video :lol:
Are you going to offer it on your site as well?
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I can't believe anyone would dislike it, I mean, what the hell? lol

Anyway, I will probably provide a link to it on my site, but they will be offering it. I'm going to give everyone that buys the video a discount on a full kit as well.


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Jan 27, 2017 10:33 |  #11912

Hey all,

WHAT A THREAD!!!! very impressive and certainly something I want to get into. I bought the boom today, I have gone for 12ft of alluminium blind tubing (the one with the reinforcement on the inside) I have purchased the super clamps and the and the suction cups but now I need to source the arm!

Now I have read up to page 280 and cant remember what page I read it on but... I understand there are 2 options, The magic arm and the variable arm. My question is, is which one would you choose?




  
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Jan 27, 2017 19:43 |  #11913

B&H Photo Video MA143A

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Jan 30, 2017 15:23 |  #11914

Hello again after a few years :)
I decided to return to rig DIY. My previous was from aluminium and not too expensive (two examples of my use it).
Now I came back to make a new one. I have 2x Manfrotto Avenger with Super Clamp and I'm searching tubes of carbon. I want to use it with Canon 5d III and 17-40 F/4 L. Maybe You can tell some advice about the length of tubes, diameter and thickness of wall? It will be very useful :)
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Jan 30, 2017 16:10 |  #11915

The right carbon fiber seems to be hard to come come by, most of it will bounce much worse than aluminum, and cause more issues than you plan to solve with it. Then there's the price.

My recommendation is always to get yourself a proper, tried and true aluminum boom, and use the money you save to get yourself some proper cups.

If you need either, Rig-Pro has your solution on a budget, but if you're still bent on carbon fiber, contact Justin at CarCameraRig, he has the proper carbon fiber. If you're set on doing it yourself, talk to John Owen back on page 792, I believe he made his own carbon fiber boom and has had great success with it.


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Feb 01, 2017 16:14 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #11916

Really carbon fiber can more bounce than aluminium? Even 2 x 2 meters length for example ? Could You suggest something with aluminium? I'm thinking about 2 x 2 meters pipe or 3 x 1,5 m


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Feb 01, 2017 19:13 |  #11917

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Really carbon fiber can more bounce than aluminium? Even 2 x 2 meters length for example ? Could You suggest something with aluminium? I'm thinking about 2 x 2 meters pipe or 3 x 1,5 m

Yes, much worse than the right aluminum. I have many friends, from way back, that have had issues.

Years ago, when I first got into rigging, I was fearful of putting such a heavy boom on my fragile car, so I did a mountain of research on what material was best. Carbon fiber was the natural choice, but it was so flexible, and so hard to handle the bounce, I settled on aluminum.

What you have to realize is that you will only have 10-12 feet unsupported, the rest doesn't even matter. So what does 10-12 feet of the proper aluminum weigh? 9 lbs. Literally nothing. It's MUCH more important to have a light camera KIT. So, a crop sensor camera with a 10/11/12mm prime lens. Next would be a full-frame camera with a 16/17/18mm prime lens.

So the length of your boom depends on the camera/lens you're planning to use, and the cars you are planning to shoot. I shoot mostly my own car, so I use a 19-ft boom with 8 feet unsupported, a full frame camera and 20mm prime lens. Adding a stabilization cable and 3rd cup makes the system rock solid.

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Feb 03, 2017 04:16 |  #11918

When I first heard about this stuff I thought of carbon right away. I have a cnc machine shop+ use composites every day. So machine all of the hardware out of 6061 and layup the tubes..(get Andrew to sell it :-))...but carbon that long is bouncy. You can thicken up the tubes but my idea was to have a boom section that is uber light weight and small sections that you could break down and put in a trunk.

Now I think that you could include a layer of kevlar in the layup, but that is so hard to work with, maybe some bidirectional lava rock. I just havent had the time to do more testing.
Maybe some very thin alum tube and do a wrap on that, and or some honeycomb filler to dampen the bounce. But those ounce's add up quick. You go to all the work and effort and it comes out the sameish as just cutting some alum tube..that would suck.
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Feb 03, 2017 05:40 |  #11919

So Guys and Gals,

I had my first attempt and not happy with the result at all. The image is very soft around the edges and there was a fair amount of bounce when pushing the Jag. Im not expecting great reviews but let me know what you think. Its a boom pole that is in sections of 4ft with a 32cm outer diameter and a 1.6mm wall. I have 2 of the avenger 1100 and 3 of the superclamps. The poles are held together using 2 pieces of metal and then clamped together (forming a sleeve) and then I have a magic arm and the Canon 6D on there. Anyway heres the finished photo and a photo of the rig attached.


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Feb 03, 2017 18:19 |  #11920

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When I first heard about this stuff I thought of carbon right away. I have a cnc machine shop+ use composites every day. So machine all of the hardware out of 6061 and layup the tubes..(get Andrew to sell it :-))...but carbon that long is bouncy. You can thicken up the tubes but my idea was to have a boom section that is uber light weight and small sections that you could break down and put in a trunk.

Now I think that you could include a layer of kevlar in the layup, but that is so hard to work with, maybe some bidirectional lava rock. I just havent had the time to do more testing.
Maybe some very thin alum tube and do a wrap on that, and or some honeycomb filler to dampen the bounce. But those ounce's add up quick. You go to all the work and effort and it comes out the sameish as just cutting some alum tube..that would suck.
Gary

I've researched this to the ends of the earth, and all things considered, nothing beats 6061 T3, joined via threaded couplers, which is what I use. My only problem with it is that it's very hard to get, so I get it from a major client, not from the source, and a normal person can't even get it at all.

The mystery has been solved, Rig-Pro FTW. lol

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So Guys and Gals,

I had my first attempt and not happy with the result at all. The image is very soft around the edges and there was a fair amount of bounce when pushing the Jag. Im not expecting great reviews but let me know what you think. Its a boom pole that is in sections of 4ft with a 32cm outer diameter and a 1.6mm wall. I have 2 of the avenger 1100 and 3 of the superclamps. The poles are held together using 2 pieces of metal and then clamped together (forming a sleeve) and then I have a magic arm and the Canon 6D on there. Anyway heres the finished photo and a photo of the rig attached.

No offense, bu there is so much wrong with this man, like literally every single thing I see, from the cups to the magic-arm configuration, you're making this way too damn hard on yourself. But hey, as long as you're safe, more power to you! But while you're at it, let me give you some advice.

1. Ditch the junk Manfrotto cups and get yourself some safe cups. Woods Powr Grip are the only way to fly. You can get them from Filmtools, or from me, same price.

2. SPREAD THEM OUT as far as you can. If you're using one panel, as you are here, one should be on one fender, and the other should be as far as possible away on the other fender.

3. Use some proper material for your boom, or give up and go Rig-Pro, you'll be glad you did.

4. Extend your magic arm ALL THE WAY down...the further it is away from the boom, the smaller it is in the frame.

5. EVERY rig-shot should be taken between f9 & f11 to make the entire car sharp. NEVER go under f9.

6. Fashion yourself a cable pull and literally pull the car, it'll make everything sharper x10.

7. Choose a SMOOTH surface...

8. Choose a place with a lot of light, but rig in the shadows (or if you're smart, at sunset).

If you have any other questions, let me know.

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Feb 04, 2017 13:25 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #11921

It was my first attempt man and I saw everyone else making there rigs so thought I would give it a try. Thanks for the pointers though. If I decide to give it another shot then I'll see what happens




  
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Feb 04, 2017 14:34 |  #11922

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It was my first attempt man and I saw everyone else making there rigs so thought I would give it a try. Thanks for the pointers though. If I decide to give it another shot then I'll see what happens

This thread isn't as lively as it used to be, but there are a few of us left, and we're more than happy to help, so just ask!


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Feb 04, 2017 15:02 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #11923

Which is much appreciatted. I was just shocked to see no kind of positive response there. I messaged you the other day about getting the boom pole sent to the UK and just awaiting pay day so will provide sort it out then




  
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Feb 04, 2017 17:42 |  #11924

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Which is much appreciatted. I was just shocked to see no kind of positive response there. I messaged you the other day about getting the boom pole sent to the UK and just awaiting pay day so will provide sort it out then

Again, this thread has kinda' died over the years.

With the tips I've given you, your next pic should get a better response. Just make sure that you pick a nice background, I like parks the best, they usually keep up the road and backgrounds nicely.

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Feb 04, 2017 17:53 |  #11925

Debates used to fire up too quickly about boom types, mounting techniques and other things, not worth the aggro so I don't bother posting in here often. I suspect others are similar.


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