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As much as I love the 7D2 I am getting rid of it.

 
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Feb 19, 2017 02:26 |  #1

Last year I posted a thread trying to decide if keeping the 7D2 was worthwhile since getting the 5D4. I decided to keep it. But I have changed my mind.

Today I shot some images from 6400 to 12800, and honestly the 5D4 kills this camera at these ISOs. Plus the images are just better at any ISO on the 5d4. Most people would not even notice, but I do.

So I might just get an 1.4 extender which with the increased megapixels will get me close to the reach of the 7d2 when I shoot long with the 100-400.

I still think the 7D2 is the best value for dollar camera Canon have, and is a fine camera. It's just that the 5d4 is better (as it should be considering the price difference )

The lesson here is for me never to try the 1dx :-)

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Feb 19, 2017 02:54 |  #2

So interesting to see how every photographer's gear is specific to their needs.

I do not own a 7dmk2 but I'm actually a recovering "Full frame" snob :) I haven't touched a Canon crop sensor in years until i picked up a Canon 80D.

What I've discovered is for remote flash events work or bounced external flash photography the 80D has honestly surprised me. I've found the image quality coming from the 80d Canon crop sensor is so much closer to the full frame rich, lush look. In the 40d and 50D era the canon crop sensors were way more flatter with less IQ. The 80D/ EOS M5 will probably be one of Canon's bigger jumps in IQ with a crop sensor. Yes even my 5d3 has the edge on image quality but if you print your files you would have a tough time determining if a crop sensor or full frame has taken the photo.

I just find shooting low available light I can see the 5dmk4 to be a killer body to use. 5d4 is still on my list to purchase. More apples to apples for crop sensor is the D500 vs 7dmk2. This is where the 7dmk2 would be destroyed by Nikon (Please note I'm a Canon shooter with no jaded loyalties).

My version of the 7dmk2 is my Fujifilm X-T2 which is more than enough for my child sports documentation. X-T2 video "no post/ ungraded" is possibly one of the best purchases for a video camera setup for casual run gun video.

Long story short I want a 5dmk4. My 5dmk3 with flash events work lacks the extra resolution but for human subject on a dance floor the 5d3 still is a potent tool to a photographer with skills.

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Feb 19, 2017 04:16 |  #3
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I've never used a 7D2, either. But I can see AlanU's point about the 80D. I bought mine in November. Originally, the thought was that it would be a replacement for my heavier 1D4, if the focus passed muster. So far, the AF on the 80D does all I need it to do. I have not used it for outdoor, fair-weather athletics, yet. I can't imagine it will let me down. I'll likely be selling the 1D4 shortly.

The IQ I am getting from the 80D surprises me. It also gives me more reach with smaller lighter lens (80D/70-200 vs 6D/100-400), and more total reach (80D/100-400) when I need that. This has me questioning the need for the 6D, at all. The wide end, and fast primes, keep the 6D around, for now.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 04:19 |  #4

Funny - just a week or so ago I posted the same question in the 5D4 thread about whether it + a 1.4xiii could mostly beat out a 7D2 (other than framerate, obviously) and the consensus was "yes". I'll still probably pick up an 80D first (want to see if the new sensor tech is really all that and something better than an SL1 to play with my EF-S lenses with), but the 7D2 is off the list. Can't wait to see the 7D3 though.


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Feb 19, 2017 04:49 |  #5

The 80D looks like a remarkable camera.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 04:58 as a reply to  @ George Zip's post |  #6

It is.


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Feb 19, 2017 05:16 |  #7

George Zip wrote in post #18278106 (external link)
Last year I posted a thread trying to decide if keeping the 7D2 was worthwhile since getting the 5D4. I decided to keep it. But I have changed my mind.

Today I shot some images from 6400 to 12800, and honestly the 5D4 kills this camera at these ISOs. Plus the images are just better at any ISO on the 5d4. Most people would not even notice, but I do.

So I might just get an 1.4 extender which with the increased megapixels will get me close to the reach of the 7d2 when I shoot long with the 100-400.

I still think the 7D2 is the best value for dollar camera Canon have, and is a fine camera. It's just that the 5d4 is better (as it should be considering the price difference )

The lesson here is for me never to try the 1dx :-)

That is all.

You should know better than to push that cropper to 6400 and over.They can't do it,never will,take it for what it is.


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Feb 19, 2017 05:34 |  #8

PNPhotography wrote in post #18278156 (external link)
You should know better than to push that cropper to 6400 and over.They can't do it,never will,take it for what it is.

Yeah I know. But I needed the shutter speed and I was losing light, so I used what I had.




  
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PNPhotography wrote in post #18278156 (external link)
You should know better than to push that cropper to 6400 and over.They can't do it,never will,take it for what it is.

Bull puckey.

Canon aps-c bodies since the 7D are quite capable of good results at ISO 6400, and above. The evidence is all over POTN, and I imagine every other photo forum. I used a 60D for a while. I had to learn the camera, and my PP software (LR), but once I knew what I was doing, 6400 on the 60D was no mean trick. The 80D is better at 12800 as the 60D was at 6400, and I'm still learning that camera.

At 6400, there isn't a bunch of difference between the 80D and the 6D. My 6D starts to pull ahead of my 80D at 12800. At 25,600 the 6D is noticeably less noisy, and easier to clean up. At 25,600 I'm happy to get anything, on any body.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 05:53 |  #10

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Bull puckey.

Canon aps-c bodies since the 7D are quite capable of good results at ISO 6400, and above. The evidence is all over POTN, and I imagine every other photo forum. I used a 60D for a while. I had to learn the camera, and my PP software (LR), but once I knew what I was doing, 6400 on the 60D was no mean trick. The 80D is better at 12800 as the 60D was at 6400, and I'm still learning that camera.

At 6400, there isn't a bunch of difference between the 80D and the 6D. My 6D starts to pull ahead of my 80D at 12800. At 25,600 the 6D is noticeably less noisy, and easier to clean up. At 25,600 I'm happy to get anything, on any body.

Bull puckey ! Lol

That's a new one for me.




  
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George Zip wrote in post #18278179 (external link)
Bull puckey ! Lol

That's a new one for me.

Where did I leave my APA citation manners? Special thanks to Colonel Sherman T. Potter (Harry Morgan) for that one.




  
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Where did I leave my APA citation manners? Special thanks to Colonel Sherman T. Potter (Harry Morgan) for that one.

Ha ha. I recall that now.




  
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Ha ha. I recall that now.

For those in the dark, the reference is to M*A*S*H, the greatest TV show ever aired. Ever. Although I really did like My Mother, the Car, Second Hundred Years, and It's About Time.

Back to your previously scheduled programming.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 06:51 |  #14

Bassat wrote in post #18278174 (external link)
Bull puckey.

Canon aps-c bodies since the 7D are quite capable of good results at ISO 6400, and above. The evidence is all over POTN, and I imagine every other photo forum. I used a 60D for a while. I had to learn the camera, and my PP software (LR), but once I knew what I was doing, 6400 on the 60D was no mean trick. The 80D is better at 12800 as the 60D was at 6400, and I'm still learning that camera.

At 6400, there isn't a bunch of difference between the 80D and the 6D. My 6D starts to pull ahead of my 80D at 12800. At 25,600 the 6D is noticeably less noisy, and easier to clean up. At 25,600 I'm happy to get anything, on any body.

Sorry but no way they are equal at 6400,I have both the 6d and 7dmkii and there's no comparison at 6400. I stand firm on that one.The 7dmkii is ok up to 3200 after that it's your standards that are conpromised


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PNPhotography wrote in post #18278203 (external link)
Sorry but no way they are equal at 6400,I have both the 6d and 7dmkii and there's no comparison at 6400. I stand firm on that one.The 7dmkii is ok up to 3200 after that it's your standards that are conpromised

My standards? I didn't write this book. There are good examples of high-ISO aps-c work all over the place. Have a look. You may be surprised.




  
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