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As much as I love the 7D2 I am getting rid of it.

 
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Feb 19, 2017 07:10 |  #16

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Bull puckey.

Canon aps-c bodies since the 7D are quite capable of good results at ISO 6400, and above. The evidence is all over POTN, and I imagine every other photo forum. I used a 60D for a while. I had to learn the camera, and my PP software (LR), but once I knew what I was doing, 6400 on the 60D was no mean trick. The 80D is better at 12800 as the 60D was at 6400, and I'm still learning that camera.

At 6400, there isn't a bunch of difference between the 80D and the 6D. My 6D starts to pull ahead of my 80D at 12800. At 25,600 the 6D is noticeably less noisy, and easier to clean up. At 25,600 I'm happy to get anything, on any body.


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Sorry but no way they are equal at 6400,I have both the 6d and 7dmkii and there's no comparison at 6400. I stand firm on that one.The 7dmkii is ok up to 3200 after that it's your standards that are conpromised

I would say bring out the popcorn for this one but I did that once before and was chastised for being snarky so I guess I can't do that any more. Someone might be 'offended'.

And we sure wouldn't want that now.......:rolleyes:

By the way, I agree with Bassat, there are many examples of good high ISO stuff from crops on here.


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Feb 19, 2017 07:13 |  #17

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I would say bring out the popcorn for this one but I did that once before and was chastised for being snarky so I guess I can't do that any more. Someone might be 'offended'.

And we sure wouldn't want that now.......:rolleyes:

Of course not... this is the internet, where everyone is happy, smart and beautiful/handsome.


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saea501 wrote in post #18278210 (external link)
I would say bring out the popcorn for this one but I did that once before and was chastised for being snarky so I guess I can't do that any more. Someone might be 'offended'.

And we sure wouldn't want that now.......:rolleyes:

By the way, I agree with Bassat, there are many examples of good high ISO stuff from crops on here.

Hold the popcorn. There is no point in continuing to beat an already dead horse. Some folks are happy with certain things. Other folks with other things. I don't go for the "best" of anything. Photography is one of those fields where 'good enough' actually is. I can print ISO 6400 JPG files from my 80D, and 12800 JPG files from my 6D, with no obvious noise at all. I can see noise at 800 on both bodies, if I view at 100%. I don't print at 40"x60". Why bother judging photos at that size?




  
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Feb 19, 2017 08:11 |  #19

PNPhotography wrote in post #18278203 (external link)
Sorry but no way they are equal at 6400,I have both the 6d and 7dmkii and there's no comparison at 6400. I stand firm on that one.The 7dmkii is ok up to 3200 after that it's your standards that are conpromised


Absolutely agree with you on this. And I too own both the 6D, and the 7Dmkii. there's a lot of pure unadulterated BS in this thread! ;)


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Feb 19, 2017 08:39 |  #20

[QUOTE=saea501;1827821​0]I would say bring out the popcorn for this one but I did that once before and was chastised for being snarky so I guess I can't do that any more. Someone might be 'offended'.

And we sure wouldn't want that now.......:rolleyes:

By the way, I agree with Bassat, there are many examples of good high ISO stuff from crops on here.[/QUOTE.
No need for popcorn, Tom and I just disagree-no name calling or insults,Sure I've seen decent 6400 photos out of the 7dmkii but I shoot sports and when your shooting 400 shots a game I want clean 6400 SOOC. everyone has different standards.


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saea501 wrote in post #18278210 (external link)
I would say bring out the popcorn for this one but I did that once before and was chastised for being snarky so I guess I can't do that any more. Someone might be 'offended'.

And we sure wouldn't want that now.......:rolleyes:

By the way, I agree with Bassat, there are many examples of good high ISO stuff from crops on here.[/QUOTE.
No need for popcorn, Tom and I just disagree-no name calling or insults,Sure I've seen decent 6400 photos out of the 7dmkii but I shoot sports and when your shooting 400 shots a game I want clean 6400 SOOC. everyone has different standards.

Agreed.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 09:55 |  #22

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Feb 19, 2017 09:57 |  #23

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I am in agreement that not everyone NEEDS to have absolutely 'the state of the art' when ones existing needs are fully met satisfactorily by existing gear. You should only 'need' to get better stuff when your existing stuff no longer satisfies you...

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Hold the popcorn. There is no point in continuing to beat an already dead horse. Some folks are happy with certain things. Other folks with other things. I don't go for the "best" of anything. Photography is one of those fields where 'good enough' actually is. I can print ISO 6400 JPG files from my 80D, and 12800 JPG files from my 6D, with no obvious noise at all. I can see noise at 800 on both bodies, if I view at 100%. I don't print at 40"x60". Why bother judging photos at that size?

Owning both FF and APS-C bodies, I find that for most 'needs' the APS-C fully meets them satisfactorily and I seldom 'need' to pull out FF...this comment comes from a person who in 1990 had ABANDONED shooting 135 format film for medium format film cameras entirely, and the only reason to ever pull out 135 format was for its ultrafast f/stop lenses.


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Feb 19, 2017 10:09 |  #24

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Last year I posted a thread trying to decide if keeping the 7D2 was worthwhile since getting the 5D4. I decided to keep it. But I have changed my mind.

Today I shot some images from 6400 to 12800, and honestly the 5D4 kills this camera at these ISOs. Plus the images are just better at any ISO on the 5d4. Most people would not even notice, but I do.

So I might just get an 1.4 extender which with the increased megapixels will get me close to the reach of the 7d2 when I shoot long with the 100-400.

I still think the 7D2 is the best value for dollar camera Canon have, and is a fine camera. It's just that the 5d4 is better (as it should be considering the price difference )

The lesson here is for me never to try the 1dx :-)

That is all.

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What are you going to do with the Dracmas you receive by selling the 7D Mark II?
Why not just keep that wonderful different tool in the tool kit.
I have a pair of 5D Mark III's as shoot with two bodies most of the time. I also have a pair of the Original 7D Version 1 as well that do not see much light of day.
However that 7D Mark II would certainly make me think otherwise. Great camera with "more reach" when needed.
Keep it..........unless you are looking at a second 5D Mark IV of course....


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Feb 19, 2017 11:48 |  #25

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Sorry but no way they are equal at 6400,I have both the 6d and 7dmkii and there's no comparison at 6400. I stand firm on that one.The 7dmkii is ok up to 3200 after that it's your standards that are conpromised

Why are you using your experience with the 7D2 to refute a point about the 80D, with its entirely new and improved sensor?


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Feb 19, 2017 12:57 as a reply to  @ post 18278138 |  #26

The 80d totally took me off guard. Never did I expect a very versatile camera in many types of lighting conditions. Sure it's not 1dx mk2 but it happily runs almost along side my 5d3. In flash photography during events The 80d still has Canon characteristics but almost fuji like rendition. I could easily shoot an event/ reception with the 80d and I bet even a Canon shooter would be having a hard time determining if I was using my Canon full frame 5D Mark III or 80d. Natural light shooting is totally a different world of photography .

Since this is sort of a discussion of crop sensor the world of crop sensors is seriously getting seriously good now.

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look at 14:30 of the video. X-T2 is still sharper than the D500 at iso 6400. Not bad at all :)

Look at 21:40 and there's a comparison between a 5dmk4.

My X-T2 fits happily in my tool bag as a casual kids sports shooter and portrait work. Even as a canon shooter I'd take my X trans sensor image quality over APS-C canon sensor.

The 7dmk2 needs a revision asap. It can adopt the off the shelf 80D sensor and touchscreen with it's blazing fps and buffer. That alone will still not be up to the Nikon D500 level but getting closer. Now you can see why I happily purchased a Fuji X-T2 since it would be more useful for me vs an aging 7dmk2.

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Feb 19, 2017 13:55 |  #27

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Why are you using your experience with the 7D2 to refute a point about the 80D, with its entirely new and improved sensor?

Because this thread started with he OP selling his 7dmkII.I've seen all the 80d reviews and any improvement in high ISO over the 7dmkII is negligible.


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Because this thread started with he OP selling his 7dmkII.I've seen all the 80d reviews and any improvement in high ISO over the 7dmkII is negligible.

Just for spit and giggles, I'd like to see one of those noisy 7DII ISO 3200 shots. EXIF included, if it pleases thee. I can get a noisy shot out of my 6D at ISO 800. That is not something I'd blame on the camera.




  
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Feb 19, 2017 17:36 |  #29

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Just for spit and giggles, I'd like to see one of those noisy 7DII ISO 3200 shots. EXIF included, if it pleases thee. I can get a noisy shot out of my 6D at ISO 800. That is not something I'd blame on the camera.

When my 7D2 was working, I routinely got very good results at ISO 3200. At 6400, I started to lose feather detail after noise reduction. That said, I did try to keep it at 1600 or less for my own mental health. ;)

Still, from all I've read, the 80D is quite a capable camera... I might buy one for my wife to replace the 70D she stole from me. I'll wait until after they are available as refurbs on sale for 20% off. She doesn't challenge the 70D too much.

edit: I see the refurb is on sale now.... only $60 off though. Not enough to make me interested. I bought my 60D at a 20% off sale... in April one year.


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Feb 19, 2017 18:12 |  #30

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When my 7D2 was working, I routinely got very good results at ISO 3200. At 6400, I started to lose feather detail after noise reduction. That said, I did try to keep it at 1600 or less for my own mental health. ;)

Still, from all I've read, the 80D is quite a capable camera... I might buy one for my wife to replace the 70D she stole from me. I'll wait until after they are available as refurbs on sale for 20% off. She doesn't challenge the 70D too much.

edit: I see the refurb is on sale now.... only $60 off though. Not enough to make me interested. I bought my 60D at a 20% off sale... in April one year.

It's actually cheaper with the 18-55 STM, because they discount that $230 for some reason. Picked one up myself, because a 70-200/2.8L ISii this weekend wasn't enough.


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