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Feb 19, 2017 12:16 |  #4291

Nick You own a canon 6d so realistically if it was imperative for high iq you should lug the FF body for 100% assurance of money shots with zero excuses. You have every right to take time to take photos of your work.

I still think a 6d is cleaner at high ISO than a Fuji. Remember Fuji ISO numbers are not following true standards. It's usually Under exposed if you shoot side by side with Sony, canon or Nikon with identical ISO numbers.


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Feb 19, 2017 12:31 |  #4292

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I still think a 6d is cleaner at high ISO than a Fuji. Remember Fuji ISO numbers are not following true standards. It's usually Under exposed if you shoot side by side with Sony, canon or Nikon with identical ISO numbers.

I will do more serious testing little later if I get some time today. But here is quick comparison with Sony A7rII at ISO800. Not exact settings but pretty close.

Sony A7rII, f1.8, 1/160

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Feb 19, 2017 13:07 |  #4293

Anyones X100F arrived yet? impatiently waiting here


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Feb 19, 2017 13:35 |  #4294

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I will do more serious testing little later if I get some time today. But here is quick comparison with Sony A7rII at ISO800. Not exact settings but pretty close.

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Feb 19, 2017 17:35 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #4295

Alan, the thing is I really don't. Better to feign ignorance and ask for forgiveness than permission. For stuff that means a lot to me, I do use the 6d, but for things like the blue kitchen I shared a couple pages ago, the Fuji really does fit the task, I got a call to measure something, went to the job, had camera on me and it was in condition to photograph. Wouldn't have any pics if I didn't have the Fuji, so the larger excuse was really becoming not having a camera on me when an unexpected opportunity came up. I am happy with those shots vs nothing, and for things I really want, I try to make an excuse to happen to be on the job with 6d on the right day, but I can build a larger portfolio faster by just having the Fuji on me constantly. I have already added 4 jobs I wouldn't have deemed "worth" making an effort to get out at with 6D, but in retrospect, they are pretty cool work, and properly portray what we do. When I redo our website, I want to have a large gallery of all "Magazine" quality jobs, as opposed to the usual 4-5, to hammer home the point that "we do high design work all the time, be 100% confident we can handle your project, this is all we do"


Someone skilled can pick apart my interior shots, and rightfully so as they are hand held and no light. However to most people I would deal with, they are better than they need to be, and what is really important is that it is quality looking (Even if photographically not perfect) shots of OUR actual work. So my personal nitpicks are to always make sure I expect more than they will. Today most companies use blatant stock photos and real clients are not buying them as demonstration of the ability of the company as they scream stock and something they didn't do. I work with a lot of high end finish trades, and I am surprised I am really the only one who has bothered to learn a little about photography to document our jobs. The reality is that we don't "need' them, and that is most of those guys' attitude, and my brother (Partner) thinks I am just wasting half his money writing off personal hobby stuff (well, sometimes hahaha), but there may come a day when he is damn happy that I have that built up portfolio. It may be the final push to get a new 6 figure a year builder, it may help sell big retail job when we really need it, and it has already done a little of those and bolstered client confidence when I have pulled old shots to help them with ideas for their job. So that sums up my professional photography needs, it is really almost like a documentary style photography approach, for a subject traditionally shot by turning the subject into a studio environment. Compromise is certainly a part of that.


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Feb 19, 2017 17:48 |  #4296

Nick,

Grab an X-T20 :) it'll be stealth small and be as zippy as an X-t2. You'll retire your X-e2 because you will see cleaner images at higher iso with more resolution.


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Feb 19, 2017 19:07 |  #4297

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Feb 19, 2017 20:05 |  #4298

I have not take my camera out in a long time, other than using it for work. It was refreshing and reminded me why I love Fuji.

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Feb 20, 2017 22:20 |  #4299

AlanU wrote in post #18278405 (external link)
I still think a 6d is cleaner at high ISO than a Fuji. Remember Fuji ISO numbers are not following true standards. It's usually Under exposed if you shoot side by side with Sony, canon or Nikon with identical ISO numbers.

I agree that the 6D files are cleaner at high ISO than even the X-TransIII, but it's marginal, when it comes to color fidelity it's almost a wash as far as I'm concerned... granted, I haven't owned my 6D in a couple of years now so I can't do a back to back comparison, but based on looking at old files on my computer from it vs files from my X-Pro2... not a lot of difference.

As for the ISO equivalency argument; I see people make this claim constantly... but I've yet to observe it in real world use. I shot my 6D and X-E1 side by side frequently, ISO values were the same within margin of error for exposure value... the same story again with my a7S and X-E2, so I think much of that argument is based on conjecture and hearsay, if there is a difference, it's not enough to even be worth mentioning in my experience/opinion.

A few shots from DC, I was walking to the metro to go home from a gymnastics meet at the convention center with my X100T

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That last shot I had actually edited while riding the train (boredom kicked in) in an app on my phone and I think I actually like what I did with the app better than what I did in Lightroom :lol:

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Feb 20, 2017 22:59 |  #4300

I did some test with XT1 and 5dmk3 and I found what looks to be 1/3 stop difference in exposure at ISO1600. Later I checked and my XT1 DR setting was AUTO. Not sure f that had anything to do with it. XT1 shot was 1/3 under-exposed. I did try ISO3200 and results looked similar.

XT1 bumped 1/3 in LR, ISO1600

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Feb 20, 2017 23:11 |  #4301

bobbyz wrote in post #18280084 (external link)
I did some test with XT1 and 5dmk3 and I found what looks to be 1/3 stop difference in exposure at ISO1600. Later I checked and my XT1 DR setting was AUTO. Not sure f that had anything to do with it. XT1 shot was 1/3 under-exposed. I did try ISO3200 and results looked similar.

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5dmk3
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What I find much more interesting is that there appears to be moire in the left side of the print of the X-T1 shot that's absent in the 5D3 shot... I've never seen any moire of note in any of my shots, but I must admit that was the first thing that jumped out on me with the examples you just posted.


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Feb 21, 2017 00:05 |  #4302

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18280093 (external link)
What I find much more interesting is that there appears to be moire in the left side of the print of the X-T1 shot that's absent in the 5D3 shot... I've never seen any moire of note in any of my shots, but I must admit that was the first thing that jumped out on me with the examples you just posted.


I think it's the light hitting the Canvas. Not necessarily moire.


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Feb 21, 2017 02:52 |  #4303

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...Later I checked and my XT1 DR setting was AUTO. Not sure f that had anything to do with it.

The DR settings can boost the levels in the camera so with DR AUTO on you can end up with an under exposed raf, it works well if your output is jpeg, but if you are shooting for raw you should set it to DR 100


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Feb 21, 2017 05:36 |  #4304

Does anyone have examples of long exposures (minutes) with the xt2 or xpro2?


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Feb 21, 2017 06:18 |  #4305

Luminance noise from bumping? I am telling you, I did it, side by side, it comes down to a more workable higher ISO file, with a little more detail, but more so that detail gets effected more by the more you work it and remove noise etc. This and more (Or less) DOF control/"easier/creami​er" bokeh are the only places I have noticed my canon kit having a tangible edge. The amount of which is debatable, and I tried to show some of it in that thread but really by the time it hit the forum, it much to see, so I think the debate of the difference needs to really start with print and full size res viewing. And again, the Fuji ISO is fine even if underexposed, it is pushing it some that creates the issues.


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