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Feb 22, 2017 17:05 |  #76

Sigma is kicking some ass. Too bad I need the 70-200 II for event works or else I'll pick up the 135 1.8 to go with my Sigma 85 1.4 Art.

Hurry up Tamron and release the Tamron 115 1.4 VC




  
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Feb 22, 2017 17:32 |  #77

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I assume you're thinking of the 11-24 with that? The blue goo doesn't count? No love for the cheap-and-very-good STM line? And what makes putting out great lenses like the Series II zooms and 35/2 IS inferior to whatever you decide makes a lens "innovative" even if it's not as good? What "innovative" lens has Nikon come out with? Or Sigma? Sigma has put out tons of lenses that are very similar to others (24-105A, anyone?). What makes putting stabilization into a lens "innovative" while other lenses aren't?

Come off it...

innovative means something new, or original...the whole MK II's go against that entirely...here's the breakdown of what canon has released since 2013, vs. what sigma has released since 2013

Canon:
18-55STM
200-400mm w/1.4X
55-250STM
10-18STM
16-35IS
400 DO II
24-105STM
24f2.8 STM
100-400 II
11-24mm
50mm STM
35mm II
18-135mm USM
24-105 II
16-35 III
70-300 II
18-55 STM

Sigma:
30mm A
18-35mm
24-105mm
50mm A
18-200mm
150-600C
150-600S
18-300mm
24mm A
24-35mm A
20mm A
50-100mm
500mm S
12-24mm A
85mm A
14mm A
24-70mm
100-400mm
135mm A

so out of the two lists, original, unmatched lenses would be for canon: 11-24mm, 200-400, and hell let's put the 16-35IS in there...for sigma you're looking at:18-35mm, 24-35mm, 20mm, 50-100mm, 14mm, 135mm


so tell me how you don't see sigma as being more innovative than canon recently?

i'm not saying these canon lenses are bad...but i do feel like they're not really keeping up...is canon going to come out with a zoom faster than f2.8? and if they do, is there already going to be 6 of them from sigma?

i think the next lens from canon is more likely to be a 70-200f4IS II than anything we've never seen before


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Feb 22, 2017 17:38 |  #78

DreDaze wrote in post #18282053 (external link)
innovative means something new, or original...the whole MK II's go against that entirely...here's the breakdown of what canon has released since 2013, vs. what sigma has released since 2013

i think the next lens from canon is more likely to be a 70-200f4IS II than anything we've never seen before

Canon can try to reduce the weight of the behemoth 70-200 F2.8 MK III and charge way more money. F/2.8 crowd loves to overpay.

Not sure why they would update the F4IS before 50/85/135 and many others that are much older and need to be updated like tonight.


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Feb 22, 2017 17:40 |  #79

DreDaze wrote in post #18282053 (external link)
innovative means something new, or original...the whole MK II's go against that entirely...here's the breakdown of what canon has released since 2013, vs. what sigma has released since 2013

Canon:
18-55STM
200-400mm w/1.4X
55-250STM
10-18STM
16-35IS
400 DO II
24-105STM
24f2.8 STM
100-400 II
11-24mm
50mm STM
35mm II
18-135mm USM
24-105 II
16-35 III
70-300 II
18-55 STM

Sigma:
30mm A
18-35mm
24-105mm
50mm A
18-200mm
150-600C
150-600S
18-300mm
24mm A
24-35mm A
20mm A
50-100mm
500mm S
12-24mm A
85mm A
14mm A
24-70mm
100-400mm
135mm A

so out of the two lists, original, unmatched lenses would be for canon: 11-24mm, 200-400, and hell let's put the 16-35IS in there...for sigma you're looking at:18-35mm, 24-35mm, 20mm, 50-100mm, 14mm, 135mm

so tell me how you don't see sigma as being more innovative than canon recently?

i'm not saying these canon lenses are bad...but i do feel like they're not really keeping up...is canon going to come out with a zoom faster than f2.8? and if they do, is there already going to be 6 of them from sigma?

i think the next lens from canon is more likely to be a 70-200f4IS II than anything we've never seen before


Well for 1 canon is updating lens with incremental improvements in IQ and trying to get people to bite

Sigma is releasing stuff that has never been in their line up or in the 24-70 case....upgrading enough to put it into their art series or they are releasing previous popular lens sizes that canon deemed not desirable.....example 24-35 was one of canons better WA general lens for a long time.


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Feb 22, 2017 17:46 |  #80

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Well for 1 canon is updating lens with incremental improvements in IQ and trying to get people to bite

Sigma is releasing stuff that has never been in their line up or in the 24-70 case....upgrading enough to put it into their art series or they are releasing previous popular lens sizes that canon deemed not desirable.....example 24-35 was one of canons better WA general lens for a long time.

the whole art series thing is just a naming thing...it's not any different than the sports or contemporary naming...it's just that art covers primes, and what they deem as artistic lenses...basically not variable zooms, and primes...

as for the 24-35mm canon's wasn't f2

dochollidayda wrote in post #18282056 (external link)
Canon can try to reduce the weight of the behemoth 70-200 F2.8 MK III and charge way more money. F/2.8 crowd loves to overpay.

Not sure why they would update the F4IS before 50/85/135 and many others that are much older and need to be updated like tonight.

who says it has to make sense :)...did anyone think the 24-105 or 70-300 were in need of dire updates...yeah they're older, but probably not too many people clamoring for MK II's of those lenses...


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Feb 22, 2017 18:10 |  #81

DreDaze wrote in post #18282053 (external link)
innovative means something new, or original...the whole MK II's go against that entirely...here's the breakdown of what canon has released since 2013, vs. what sigma has released since 2013

*snip*

so out of the two lists, original, unmatched lenses would be for canon: 11-24mm, 200-400, and hell let's put the 16-35IS in there...for sigma you're looking at:18-35mm, 24-35mm, 20mm, 50-100mm, 14mm, 135mm

so tell me how you don't see sigma as being more innovative than canon recently?

i'm not saying these canon lenses are bad...but i do feel like they're not really keeping up...is canon going to come out with a zoom faster than f2.8? and if they do, is there already going to be 6 of them from sigma?

i think the next lens from canon is more likely to be a 70-200f4IS II than anything we've never seen before

You're literally saying you just want new combinations of FL and aperture? You'd rather the new 35Lii were, say, a 38mm? Or 77mm? Rather have a mediocre 43-177mm than the extremely well-regarded 70-200/2.8ISii? Well, if that's "innovation" then ok.


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Feb 22, 2017 18:17 |  #82

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You're literally saying you just want new combinations of FL and aperture? You'd rather the new 35Lii were, say, a 38mm? Or 77mm? Rather have a mediocre 43-177mm than the extremely well-regarded 70-200/2.8ISii? Well, if that's "innovation" then ok.

i'm not quite sure why you keep putting innovation in quotes...it's a real thing...a company can be innovative by introducing things that aren't around

they are providing lenses that nobody else has...a 38mm wouldn't really be innovative...a 35mm f1.2 would...none of the new lenses sigma has released would be considered mediocre...most of them are considered ground breaking...in 10 years there will probably be a bunch of faster than f2.8 zooms...will canon have any?

what's innovative about coming out with a MK II, or MK III lens? nothing...it goes against what the word innovative even means...


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DreDaze wrote in post #18282088 (external link)
i'm not quite sure why you keep putting innovation in quotes...it's a real thing...a company can be innovative by introducing things that aren't around

they are providing lenses that nobody else has...a 38mm wouldn't really be innovative...a 35mm f1.2 would...none of the new lenses sigma has released would be considered mediocre...most of them are considered ground breaking...in 10 years there will probably be a bunch of faster than f2.8 zooms...will canon have any?

what's innovative about coming out with a MK II, or MK III lens? nothing...it goes against what the word innovative even means...

I'm putting it in quotes because I'm pointing out that you're using it in a way that doesn't match up to the actual definition of the word. Canon's new lenses, and new lens technologies, are absolutely innovative. They're not "innovative" to you, so you get the quotes.


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Feb 22, 2017 18:27 |  #84

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I'm putting it in quotes because I'm pointing out that you're using it in a way that doesn't match up to the actual definition of the word. Canon's new lenses, and new lens technologies, are absolutely innovative. They're not "innovative" to you, so you get the quotes.

i don't think you know the definition of the word...


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Feb 22, 2017 18:31 |  #85

DreDaze wrote in post #18282095 (external link)
i don't think you know the definition of the word...

I think he has Innovative and refresh confused.


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Feb 22, 2017 18:49 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #86

Do you think the 70-200 f/2.8 MkII is the same as the lens it replaced with just a name change?

Product development requires innovation.


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Feb 22, 2017 18:53 |  #87

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Do you think the 70-200 f/2.8 MkII is the same as the lens it replaced with just a name change?

Product development requires innovation.

it's obviously not the same lens with just a name change...but it's not providing anything new, it's not allowing you to shoot something you couldn't before...

the 18-55STM is a new lens compared to the previous model...do you think canon is being innovative by coming out with a new kit lens?


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Do you think the 70-200 f/2.8 MkII is the same as the lens it replaced with just a name change?

Product development requires innovation.

no its more like better tooling and better computers and equipment now vs when the first one came back that they are able to develop a lens that is better optically. Its just a refresh of the lens but someone with the 70-200 IS v1 will be able to capture the same exact pictures as the person with the mkII. now the Sigma 50-100 1.8 that gives someone the ability to replace up to 3 primes because of how fast the aperture is giving them the ability to capture an image that they may have missed by having to change out to another prime for another FL.


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Do you think the 70-200 f/2.8 MkII is the same as the lens it replaced with just a name change?

Product development requires innovation.


Have you actually tested a version 1 against a version 11 with a 70-200 F/2.8 ??

I have. I Used my assistants against mine at 3 weddings side by side in exact lighting condition

The version 11 was a bit sharper, had a bit better contrast and that is it.

So we made up a pre set in LR and bumped the contrast +10...bumped clarity +5...Bumped blacks +5 and bumped sharpness +10........we mixed up the files and absolutly could not tell which lens took the shots even when we pulled in the file 100%

So I kept my V1 and used my preset when I had the 70-200 on the body. Preset cost me $$$$$ NOTHING $$$$$

upgrade to the V11 after I sold the V1 was about $700.00 at the time

There are many ways to avoid an update. I didnt think it was enough for me to spend $700.00

BTW this hold true for many of the V2 updates in canons line up. some not so much. The big reason to upgrade now is the improved IS motors in the new lens.....not so much for sharpness and IQ in my opinion


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Feb 22, 2017 22:29 |  #90

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They will sit on the shelf at that price

Unfortunately for Sigma is that the only crowd this is going to appeal to is the Nikon camp. I dont care if it has OS or not.

Canons 135L is the best portrait lens on the market until you step to the 200L. Nothing else has the look except these 2 lens

A 135L used can be had for $700.00 all day long and twice on Sundays

Anyone thats used a 135L knows you have to be at 1/160 to avoid blur issues so WHY would any canon shooter pay $1200.00 for a Siggy with OS v/s cranking the iso from 100 to 200 or 400 to get a shutter speed to 1/200 ????......Its not like the sensors a crapola at 400 ISO

Sorry I only see this for the Nikon camp. Canon has a 135L that cant be touched

There is currently a 135 f2 lens that beats out Canon's but it doesn't have AF. For portraits though, manual focusing is just fine. The results are quite a bit better than Canon's, for 1/2 price of the used Canon market.

Also, I don't think simply improving optics and adding the latest gen of IS to an existing lens and labeling it MKII or MKIII is innovation. If that is innovation, then Canon has a lock on it with the 18-55 kit lens. They have made something like 8 different versions of it. Canon took 20 years to make a MKII of the 100-400, and a MKII of the 24-105 that isn't a whole lot better than the MKI.

The only major innovation that has happened now is their improved sensor, finally. That was out of necessity though, because their prior sensor design had been taken as far as it could be, while Sony already had something years prior that was better. The high ISO and low light AF of the 6D is next. The much improved AF system in the 1DX2 is probably on that list. The ones going back further were Live View, AFMA and movie recording (and that is debatable).


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