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Feb 26, 2017 06:45 |  #136

Asking this question of you on what types of things you shoot...

What can't you shoot today with canon because of something they didn't create for you?


isn't answered by this...

12-20 f1.4

A lens isn't a type of condition or scene, and you cannot shoot just a lens, if that is the slant you are trying to take. I know you are trying to be cute, but you missed the target. I thought we would have a candid discussion on this, but it appears that is not the goal here.

Just so you are aware there are other lenses out there faster than f2.8 and wider than 24mm you can use today, from other manufacturers. If you are serious about astro work, you could look into those. I have seen wonderful works of art from others in this area of photography, so it seems such a tool simply isn't necessary. Even with a fast lens, you need long exposures, a tracker, and stacked images.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:00 |  #137

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18285371 (external link)
Asking this question of you on what types of things you shoot...

What can't you shoot today with canon because of something they didn't create for you?


isn't answered by this...

12-20 f1.4

A lens isn't a type of condition or scene, and you cannot shoot just a lens, if that is the slant you are trying to take. I know you are trying to be cute, but you missed the target. I thought we would have a candid discussion on this, but it appears that is not the goal here.

Just so you are aware there are other lenses out there faster than f2.8 and wider than 24mm you can use today, from other manufacturers. If you are serious about astro work, you could look into those. I have seen wonderful works of art from others in this area of photography, so it seems such a tool simply isn't necessary. Even with a fast lens, you need long exposures, a tracker, and stacked images.

I didn't answer 12-20 f1.4 - I think you need to re-read the thread a bit more carefully, you must have missed this:

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It's not just astro, any low-light scenario now offers more creative options with Sigma;
  • Night motorsport
  • caving
  • extreme DoF driven scenes
  • photojournalism
  • ...


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Feb 26, 2017 08:01 |  #138

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Just so you are aware there are other lenses out there faster than f2.8 and wider than 24mm you can use today, from other manufacturers.

So Canon's business strategy should then be that they don't need to make anything faster than 2.8 and wider than 24mm because other manufacturers have that covered?

Sorry but every time a new Canon body comes out all the hype is about how much better the ISO is mostly it's over hyped and exaggerated on top of that. Now we have at least five Sigma lenses out that would give at least a stop of ISO advantage over anything equivalent that Canon makes:

14-1.8, 20.1.4, 24-35/2, 18-35/1.8, & 50-100/1.8.

This doesn't mean I can't produce images with Canons offerings, but I can make improved images with Sigma if I need that extra stop of ISO and DOF isn't limiting.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:03 |  #139

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This doesn't mean I can't produce images with Canons offerings, but I can make improved images with Sigma if I need that extra stop of ISO and DOF isn't limiting.

Nail, meet head.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:06 |  #140

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I know you are trying to be cute, but you missed the target. I thought we would have a candid discussion on this, but it appears that is not the goal here.

FYI; it's been a while since I missed a target - you'll need to try harder than that..


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Feb 26, 2017 08:15 |  #141

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Asking this question of you on what types of things you shoot...

What can't you shoot today with canon because of something they didn't create for you?


Just so you are aware there are other lenses out there faster than f2.8 and wider than 24mm you can use today, from other manufacturers. If you are serious about astro work, you could look into those. I have seen wonderful works of art from others in this area of photography, so it seems such a tool simply isn't necessary. Even with a fast lens, you need long exposures, a tracker, and stacked images.

BTW; you are contradicting yourself here..


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Feb 26, 2017 08:17 as a reply to  @ cwphoto's post |  #142

No I am not contradicting myself. You want Canon to be innovative with an UWA faster than f2.8 lens. It has already been done by others. It's too late.... ;)


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Feb 26, 2017 08:19 as a reply to  @ FEChariot's post |  #143

Again no, I didn't say they shouldn't. The discussion has been about canon being innovative, started by cw. They cannot in this space, it has been done already, correct? Nothing more, nothing less.

Canon could and should make some other lenses, but 3rd party have been more creative here recently. I believe canon has been innovative where mostly needed, but there is more work to be done. Maybe now that they have an improved sensor out of the way, they will do some other things. :)

So I assume we are now off the innovation discussions, and moving to things we wish canon would make in general, even if there are other options. In that case, I have a laundry list of items.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:26 |  #144

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No I am not contradicting myself. You want Canon to be innovative with an UWA faster than f2.8 lens. It has already been done by others. It's too late.... ;)

You're saying there's no more innovation to be done in UWA? Wow..


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Feb 26, 2017 08:31 |  #145

Y'all play nice....

Why can't everyone be like me and want every lens?


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Feb 26, 2017 08:31 as a reply to  @ cwphoto's post |  #146

You claimed Canon isnt being innovative. What could they do you would consider innovation, that doesn't exist at all in any form, even partially, in that UWA range? (Assuming less than 24mm)

I am genuinely curious, so provide some specs and the benefits of such, not jabs or smart alecky remarks. I am always for new kinds of glass, I have GAS and am proud of it. :D

I have had a lot of UWA lenses through the years and currently have the tokina, and like it.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:31 |  #147

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You're saying there's no more innovation to be done in UWA? Wow..

I thought the 8-15 was innovative.


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Feb 26, 2017 08:41 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #148

I haven't had that one but could consider shooting with it!


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Feb 26, 2017 09:38 |  #149

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Again no, I didn't say they shouldn't. The discussion has been about canon being innovative, started by cw. They cannot in this space, it has been done already, correct? Nothing more, nothing less.

Canon could and should make some other lenses, but 3rd party have been more creative here recently. I believe canon has been innovative where mostly needed, but there is more work to be done. Maybe now that they have an improved sensor out of the way, they will do some other things. :)

So I assume we are now off the innovation discussions, and moving to things we wish canon would make in general, even if there are other options. In that case, I have a laundry list of items.

Ok I see where you are coming from now. True. I want some something wider and faster from Canon and I don't care if it's innovative or a copy of a third party option. Truth is that I don't trust Sigmas AF like I do Canon based on the performance of my 30/1.4 and 17-50/2.8 mostly in servo mode. Kind of want my cake and eat it too with a Canon offering. Although I would also like a 50-100/1.8 from canon too for the indoor action shots and I really don't trust the AF there like I would a Canon lens of similar capabilities.


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Feb 26, 2017 10:42 |  #150

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Ok I see where you are coming from now. True. I want some something wider and faster from Canon and I don't care if it's innovative or a copy of a third party option. Truth is that I don't trust Sigmas AF like I do Canon based on the performance of my 30/1.4 and 17-50/2.8 mostly in servo mode. Kind of want my cake and eat it too with a Canon offering. Although I would also like a 50-100/1.8 from canon too for the indoor action shots and I really don't trust the AF there like I would a Canon lens of similar capabilities.

I found the sigma glass focuses much better on full frame than crop and I have a bit of experience with that. I was never really happy with the crop performance of the sigmas


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