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Mar 06, 2017 17:13 |  #16

I don't know how you guys can shoot the 135 with such low shutter speed. I have pretty steady hands (I think)...I don't have issues with any other lenses. But I have to shoot my 135L at at least 1/250, and choose 1/320 or 1/400 if possible. I just can't get consistently sharp shots below 1/250.




  
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Mar 06, 2017 18:46 |  #17

I have seen that I seem to favor 1/200 with my 135mm lens, and I don't even have IS as an option... :(

This is what happens when I try to stand and manually focus and get a shot at 1/30th with my 135 f2 that has no stabilization. Looks like one of those fuzzy "I am not as think as you drunk I am" t-shirts. :D


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Mar 09, 2017 11:19 |  #18

At least for stationary subjects, this is where the 100L has an advantage ;)

I prefer the 100 macro over the 135L for the minimum focus distance, anyway. Never found the loss of aperture to be all that limiting.


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Mar 13, 2017 07:46 |  #19

That is one thing that surprised me about the 85L, I could get away with much slower speeds than with the 135L. I have to stay above 1/200 for best results.


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Mar 13, 2017 08:11 |  #20

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That is one thing that surprised me about the 85L, I could get away with much slower speeds than with the 135L. I have to stay above 1/200 for best results.
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You also used a flash here so that was the big help on this shot

1/40 with an 85L is NOT going to work with any degree of success in natural light. Focal length laws dont get broken very often with any degree of success


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Mar 13, 2017 12:04 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #21

You are right! I didn't think about that.


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Mar 13, 2017 16:54 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #22

Why wouldn't 1/40 at 85mm not work? Even Matchstick Arms (me!) is quite happy at 1/250 with my Canon 800mm hand held and I can usually get away with 1/160 at a push. Though I did manage 1/50 sec with a 100-400 Mk2 + 1.4 extender on a 7D2 (roughly 900mm FOV) I wouldn't recommend it! Though the shots without IS were sharper - no surprise there!

My short lenses are the 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-70 F2.8 L V2 100 F2.8 Macro and 300 F2.8 L IS - I rarely bother looking at shutter speeds unless conditions are getting silly, do not use IS and have rarely lost a shot to shutter speed. Just hold the lens steady and all is fine.

A little practice and technique will easily render sharp shots at 1/2 FL speeds or so. Below that IS/VR etc might have a use?

I an not having a go but relatively slow shutter speeds are not really an issue for me, or many photographers that I know well. Are we doing something different?


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Mar 13, 2017 17:39 |  #23

johnf3f wrote in post #18300049 (external link)
Why wouldn't 1/40 at 85mm not work? Even Matchstick Arms (me!) is quite happy at 1/250 with my Canon 800mm hand held and I can usually get away with 1/160 at a push. Though I did manage 1/50 sec with a 100-400 Mk2 + 1.4 extender on a 7D2 (roughly 900mm FOV) I wouldn't recommend it! Though the shots without IS were sharper - no surprise there!

My short lenses are the 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-70 F2.8 L V2 100 F2.8 Macro and 300 F2.8 L IS - I rarely bother looking at shutter speeds unless conditions are getting silly, do not use IS and have rarely lost a shot to shutter speed. Just hold the lens steady and all is fine.

A little practice and technique will easily render sharp shots at 1/2 FL speeds or so. Below that IS/VR etc might have a use?

I an not having a go but relatively slow shutter speeds are not really an issue for me, or many photographers that I know well. Are we doing something different?

Yes, yes your are!!! I put it in bold for you. ;)

I can hold things steady enough on bright days where my shutter speeds are up there over 1/1000. I do all the right body stuff... feet spread apart, elbows tucked in, etc. I chalk it up to old age, but perhaps I should rethink it all.

Btw, John, the shots I got with IS off were just as good as the ones with the IS on.... but as I mentioned earlier, I got much closer to the 10 fps spec of the 1D IV. I'm going to shoot my next outing with IS off completely for the whole time and compare previous outings. I was going to note when I turned the IS off in a notebook, but in the excitement of the shoot, I forgot. For the record, I did bring both notebook and pen. ;)


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Mar 13, 2017 18:14 |  #24

johnf3f wrote in post #18300049 (external link)
Why wouldn't 1/40 at 85mm not work? Even Matchstick Arms (me!) is quite happy at 1/250 with my Canon 800mm hand held and I can usually get away with 1/160 at a push. Though I did manage 1/50 sec with a 100-400 Mk2 + 1.4 extender on a 7D2 (roughly 900mm FOV) I wouldn't recommend it! Though the shots without IS were sharper - no surprise there!

My short lenses are the 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-70 F2.8 L V2 100 F2.8 Macro and 300 F2.8 L IS - I rarely bother looking at shutter speeds unless conditions are getting silly, do not use IS and have rarely lost a shot to shutter speed. Just hold the lens steady and all is fine.

A little practice and technique will easily render sharp shots at 1/2 FL speeds or so. Below that IS/VR etc might have a use?

I an not having a go but relatively slow shutter speeds are not really an issue for me, or many photographers that I know well. Are we doing something different?


Cmon John. Really. You can hold an 85L at F/1.2 for 1/40 and get a tack sharp shot??? I dont care how good you think you are or how steady you think you are.... when your shooting that shallow your not going to be able to hold the focal point and keep it sharp unless your on a tripod and even then, movement by the person standing there and breathing will probably make it go soft at 100%.....Ive been shooting since 1974...im darn steady...not at F/1.2 and not at F/2.0


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Mar 13, 2017 19:52 |  #25

johnf3f wrote in post #18300049 (external link)
Why wouldn't 1/40 at 85mm not work? Even Matchstick Arms (me!) is quite happy at 1/250 with my Canon 800mm hand held and I can usually get away with 1/160 at a push. Though I did manage 1/50 sec with a 100-400 Mk2 + 1.4 extender on a 7D2 (roughly 900mm FOV) I wouldn't recommend it! Though the shots without IS were sharper - no surprise there!

My short lenses are the 16-35 F4 L IS, 24-70 F2.8 L V2 100 F2.8 Macro and 300 F2.8 L IS - I rarely bother looking at shutter speeds unless conditions are getting silly, do not use IS and have rarely lost a shot to shutter speed. Just hold the lens steady and all is fine.

A little practice and technique will easily render sharp shots at 1/2 FL speeds or so. Below that IS/VR etc might have a use?

I an not having a go but relatively slow shutter speeds are not really an issue for me, or many photographers that I know well. Are we doing something different?

consistency and movement of subject.

at 1/125, a good 90% of the shots will be free of camera shake. 1/40, you'll be lucky to get 1/3 with a decently high megapixel camera.


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Mar 13, 2017 21:54 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #26

I have ABSOLUTELY no idea! Two reasons - 1. I don't have an 85 F1.2 and 2. I am not really used to lenses with so much depth of field.

I normally use my 800 F5.6 L IS at close to MFD or below (by using extension tubes) so I don't really get depth of field until the range is longer than ideal and I am at F11 or so.

When shooting people, how far away are you? I ask because I don't photograph people. With 85mm I would suspect that you are not exactly close? 2/3 meters give or take? If so that is about 4 to 8mm DOF?

It sounds fairly forgiving to me - still it is not my area of experience. However holding a 1 series body with a nice little light lens with a reasonable DOF does not seem hard, doing it with 13lbs or so is a little bit of a challenge but not difficult with a little practice.

I am probably missing something but for the majority of my photography I am looking for more DOF as I get virtually nothing from my 800mm. My baseline is 2mm DOF! Hence my stopping down to F11 so I can get 4mm! Yipee!!!!

Your observations/experienc​es would be appreciated. As I said these shorties are not my main field - though I do use a 16-35, 24-70 and 100mm occasionally.


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Mar 13, 2017 22:46 |  #27

For me it was 1/320 minimum. If I could get 1/500 by pushing the ISO I would. I just couldn't get enough keepers at 2.0 so I sold it. When I did nail it at 2.0 though.... WOW. I sorta miss it.


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Mar 14, 2017 15:12 as a reply to  @ davidmtml's post |  #28

This is how I am with mine as well. I have to shoot at 1/320 at minimum.


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Mar 14, 2017 19:06 |  #29

I'm glad I'm not the only one shooting at a minimum of 1/320:-)


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Mar 16, 2017 09:14 |  #30

Talley wrote in post #18292772 (external link)
1/250 for me with the 135L.

Same here, I don't get consistently sharp pics below this speed.


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