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Jun 13, 2016 13:44 |  #31

these are all amazing pictures.

I find that all of this is right on.. the 70-200 on my crop seems a bit "too close" many times and now that I have a 24-70, I find my self having to switch quite a bit.

I now wonder if it's best to grab a FF and then the 70-200 is a lot more ideal? that difference in "range" seems like it would be huge as I find many times I'm under the basket trying to use the 70-200 however it needs that extra little bit to capture more in the frame. the FF larger sensor seems like it would help a lot too.

On the other hand, I am thinking to just get the 7dMII and deal with the switching of the 24-70 and 70-200.

It's almost overwhelming to me to figure this out (I'm a beginer) as its seems I still have trouble in low light and getting shots truly in focus. I think my 70=200 sigma struggles at time and I'm not sure if the problem is the lens, me, or the body. I'm still using my t3i.

I took some pics this weekend: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk​BmcSwW (external link)

I know I still need a lot of work on composition etc and I'm working on that however there are still many shots that are under exposed and worse yet out of focus. IT seems many times is focuses on the wrong subject which is why I think the 7dII or 5dIII body would help with better focus on moving target however I also wonder if my sigma 70-200 needs to be upgraded to the canon. too bad they don't make a 25-150 range or something similar, would be ideal. then I see the 1.8 sigma 50-100 which sounds like the perfect basketball "range" of zoom with 1.8 however I'm wondering about how it will perform real world and it seems like a waste to have that and a 70-200 and a 24-70 lol.

the tamron 24-70 I got does seem to do a better job at focusing (I think) than the 70-200 sigma, just not sure.

any feedback or suggestions are always welcomed as you all are amazing compared to my level and knowledge :)

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Jun 13, 2016 13:45 |  #32

oh yea, for most of the weekend I left it on Auto ISO by the way... not sure that was a great move however it seems to allow the t3i to select ISO other than the preset 3200 or 6400... although sometimes that made matter worse too LOL




  
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Jun 13, 2016 18:05 |  #33

I am curious if anyone has used or thought of using the Sigma 50-100 1.8 for basketball? Looking at it one would think it would be a great lens for that purpose but I do not shoot basketball atm and so cannot justify the lens purchase... so just asking for the crowd!


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Jul 26, 2016 14:46 |  #34

there is a thread on this actually and even now some sample shots. looks very interesting. I am no expert however it seems having the ability to goto f1.8 or f2 makes a big difference and allows much less noisy shots even as the samples shown at 6400. guess there are a lot of factors however usually the gyms are poorly lit so this could really be an interesting solution.




  
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Jul 27, 2016 10:05 |  #35

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oh yea, for most of the weekend I left it on Auto ISO by the way... not sure that was a great move however it seems to allow the t3i to select ISO other than the preset 3200 or 6400... although sometimes that made matter worse too LOL

For basketball you should not need auto anything, well, except focus. Figure out what the correct exposure is for that gym and go manual. It will eliminate variations that come with what gets metered. Dark uniforms vs light uniforms will impact your metering.


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Jul 27, 2016 10:22 |  #36

I hear you... however I have recently been shooting with Auto for ISO as it allows a better "range" or selection, otherwise my t3 is limited to 3200 or 6400 when sometimes the best choice might be 4500 or 5000 etc. I imagine with this 50-100 1.8, it would allow for a higher ISO which should help tremendously, not to mention that shorter reach of 50 vs 70 might help a lot too as many times under the basket there isn't a lot of room and it makes the 70 on a crop sometimes a little too close.

I guess I am not experienced or advanced enough as I seem to have had some trouble trying to get exposure correct with full manual. This is also part of the reason why I am hoping to upgrade my body soon, probably to the 7dII. I see it seems to have a true auto ISO, among other important items for basketball, that could help me a lot as well.




  
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Mar 02, 2017 11:03 |  #37

So for those of you here who've shot basketball games before, college ones in particular, if I've got a 24-70MKI and 70-200 IS MKI with my 5DMKII, but want to rent a second body thats a newer body would you suggest a 5DMKIII or IV, or a 1DXMKII? Maybe a newer 24-70 or newer 70-200 or even an 85 or some prime? Doesn't look like from your shots that any off camera lighting is usually needed with these kinds of gear setups? So I'm hoping my current gear and whatever I end up renting for the job will be able to produce good shots for the client, without all the flash business?




  
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Mar 03, 2017 18:07 as a reply to  @ ChrisMc73's post |  #38

A college venue should be reasonably well lit and not require strobes.

1D X Mk II would be the body of choice. Any of the bodies you list will do fine.

The three lenses I use most (youth and high school is my market) are the 24-70, 70-200 and 300mm all latest generation f/2.8, so my recommendation would be to rent a 300mm lens.

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Mar 03, 2017 19:20 |  #39

I think for a first-time basketball shooter a 1DX II or a 5DIV with a 70-200 is going to be the setup of choice. It is the main setup for most of us who shoot college basketball used for the great majority of shots you see. A wide lens like your 24-70 (or something even wider) would also be good for those big 3/4 of the arena type shots.


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Mar 05, 2017 23:21 |  #40

Thanks guys, I ended up renting the 5D MK IV and a 16-35 III to give me a super wide creative type shot if needed. Turns out my shot list isn't much of the actual game although I'll have full access to shoot some of that if I want.




  
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Mar 06, 2017 20:16 |  #41

If you have a chance to shoot the game I think you should do it. It may be a once in a lifetime experience and I would recommend that you take advantage of it.

And, be sure to let us see a few of your best.


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Mar 14, 2017 10:30 |  #42

bpalermini wrote in post #18293881 (external link)
If you have a chance to shoot the game I think you should do it. It may be a once in a lifetime experience and I would recommend that you take advantage of it.

And, be sure to let us see a few of your best.

Well I'll tell you what, I got in there behind all the professionals who had their spots marked on the floor, I tried to stay out of their way as they were taking shots for their respective companies, so my shooting views weren't the best. I noticed I was around a lot of 1DX camera's, lots of really fast shooting, I felt out of place amongst some of the cameras and lenses around me. Even with a 5DMKIV and 70-200 in hand, these pros have some major gear.

My camera settings were 1/1000 to 1/1600 at f/2.8 and ISO from 3200 to 6400 on this 5DMKIV.
They look a little grainy to me now. I haven't tweaked the clarity on them at all but here are a few of what I took on the last day during the championship game, just as a small sample.


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Mar 14, 2017 10:31 |  #43

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Mar 14, 2017 10:37 |  #44

Over all this was an amazing experience, I had the opportunity to shoot all the games anytime I wanted, just not on the front row of the photographer spots on the floor.
I snapped close to 3000 shots over 4 days, so I'm going through them now culling out the garbage and attempting to narrow down the shots for the client to 50-150 of my best ones.




  
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Mar 16, 2017 00:21 |  #45

Nice.


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