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Mar 15, 2017 17:46 |  #16

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skate boarding, or anything moving, and an A7Rii, do not go in the same sentence

Haha, true! I'd ignored the skateboarding part in my posts. It's not the best fast-action camera. Some have managed to make do with it when needed, but yeah, if that's a heavy focus for you, this one might not be the answer. I don't shoot any sports really - fastest targets I ever have to track are actors on stage


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Mar 15, 2017 17:50 as a reply to  @ bpaulette's post |  #17

I don't shoot it often and If I do its normally just still shots
I don't spam shots or shoot continuous so yeah
I can get a easy smaller camera just for skateboarding




  
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Mar 15, 2017 17:57 |  #18

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......... In a world ruled by technology I can't be bottlenecked by old stuff

This statement right here made me laugh out loud. The client is not going to be able to tell what you shot the final image with. There are shooters out there still doing paying work with film. Meanwhile, your average medium format camera is far less technically capable. Don't get caught in the technology upgrade cycle, you'll never be happy that way. Besides, there are things the Sony is "behind the technology curve" on. Camera control software being one of them.


Meanwhile, as someone who shoots both Canon and Sony I can relate to your dilemma. I kept my 1Dx because I prefer the ergonomics of it, and the AF on the Sony becomes less than worthless in light levels that don't phase the Canon. I still prefer the color I get from the Canon, and find the Sony can sometimes present a real challenge to get good color from if you don't make a profile. The ergonomics of the Sony can get real frustrating when you're trying to shoot fast, as that camera body is really cramped, and desperately needs a joystick. The sensor for the EVF is too sensitive as well, cutting off the rear screen when you're trying to chimp.

I rented an A7RII from Lens Rentals before I bought mine (Jan. 2015). I constantly cussed the ergonomics of it, was endlessly frustrated with the AF (using my adapted Canon glass), and found using it to be a generally unpleasant experience. I didn't like the lack of third party software and equipment support, and was leary of Sonys poor reputation with service and repair. Of course, when I started playing with the files in the computer, all of that went away. This camera is the medium format back that I wanted but couldn't afford. I use this almost exclusively when shooting in controlled situations. My Canon has been relegated to family travel and events.

Sensor heat. Not an issue. Don't sweat it. It's yet to be an issue for me, including shooting in studio where the camera is powered up long enough to wear the battery down while I adjust the lighting and set.

Personally, I think if your primary shooting is portrait and headshots you can't go wrong with this camera, but you'll definitely need native lenses. Just know that the AF will fail in light that the Canon wouldn't have flinched at. Having native glass will help, and other than low light, the Canon AF on the 6D will be worse or the same under normal light levels. Just know the ergos are going to fight you. It is definitely small and cramped, but for portrait shooting it's not an issue. . . . . and be sure to buy extra batteries. ;)


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Mar 15, 2017 17:59 |  #19

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..............

(Of course, I'm totally ignoring the obvious "things to get used to"... the menu system, and button placement / ergonomics. Anyone who complains about those, I find ridiculous - that takes adjustment going from any brand to any brand)

I've been shooting the A7RII for the past two years, I still find the ergonomics cumbersome. The body is simply too small. Or my hands are to fat. One or the other. . . . . .


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Mar 15, 2017 18:00 as a reply to  @ Scatterbrained's post |  #20

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm fine with what I have and also shoot a 5DC lmao

I mean more than anything the lack in technological advances is whats driving me away from canon.

Bad wording has always been my thing




  
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Mar 15, 2017 18:03 |  #21

but yeah as far as the ergonomics and stuff goes, I understand all that and I'm sure I'll get used to it.
My fujifilm xt10 was odd at first but I grew to love it.
I think if I do change I will be swapping to native glass.
I'm just gonna continue to research lenses and glass to see how everything compares.

I appreciate the input so far


also, I'm fat fingered and all but I'm only like 5'10 and italian so I'm not super worried about it.
5D feels a little big for me at times but I always learn to adapt




  
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Mar 15, 2017 18:07 |  #22

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I've been shooting the A7RII for the past two years, I still find the ergonomics cumbersome. The body is simply too small. Or my hands are to fat. One or the other. . . . . .

Hmm, yeah, being too small is a whole other matter. I'd actually agree with that. I guess I wasn't thinking about that because early on I added the vertical grip and rarely ever remove it. I got tired of my pinky always being wrapped around the bottom.

And the omission of a joystick is still a thorn in the side. (but I've customized my directional keys so that the first tap in any direction starts AF, and then I just keep clicking to move it) But man, I do miss that joystick. ugh


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Mar 15, 2017 18:08 |  #23

BTW, all of my Canon glass got a lot sharper when I mounted it to the A7RII. :-)


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Mar 15, 2017 18:10 as a reply to  @ Scatterbrained's post |  #24

Sadly, I don't have any "Canon" glass
I use all Art series lenses and never thought twice.

I would LOVE to use these on the sony mount but don't wanna have to use the converters or lose a bunch of features making the swap.

Namely the 50mm art series I use.

I would honestly be starting completely over with lenses if I made the swap




  
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Mar 15, 2017 18:12 |  #25

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Sadly, I don't have any "Canon" glass
I use all Art series lenses and never thought twice.

I would LOVE to use these on the sony mount but don't wanna have to use the converters or lose a bunch of features making the swap.

Namely the 50mm art series I use.

I would honestly be starting completely over with lenses if I made the swap

Actually, you might have more native features with your Sigmas and the MC-11 adapter, than most of us with Canon lenses. Eye-AF supposedly works pretty well on the Sigmas. (Canons on Metabones don't at all)


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Mar 15, 2017 18:17 as a reply to  @ bpaulette's post |  #26

hmm maybe ill do that
I'll see what I can figure out




  
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Mar 15, 2017 18:35 |  #27

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.......... Eye-AF supposedly works pretty well on the Sigmas..........

Wait what!?. . . . . . . . Hmmm, time to rethink my lens strategy.


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Mar 15, 2017 18:43 |  #28

Makes me wonder if I should keep my art 24 and 50mm and return the 85mm since I just bought it and buy a native headshot portrait lens

Less stuff to worry about selling tbh
I want a 24-70 since I don't have a 35mm tho




  
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Mar 15, 2017 20:28 |  #29

Nick Aufiero wrote in post #18302011 (external link)
Makes me wonder if I should keep my art 24 and 50mm and return the 85mm since I just bought it and buy a native headshot portrait lens

Less stuff to worry about selling tbh
I want a 24-70 since I don't have a 35mm tho

Nick, you have some choices to make. But the good news? They are all pretty good choices.

I use an a-mount Zeiss 24 f2 ssm on the gen 1 a7r for wide stuff and I've been pleased with its IQ while using the LA-EA3 adapter. Now, the AF takes a few seconds so shooting moving stuff is touch and go--at best. As well as that lens delivers for me, that art 24 I am pretty sure is a superior lens and I know the Sigma adapter is superior on the gen2 bodies. Why not give your Art glass a crack at things first, while maybe renting an 85 Batis, Zeiss 55, or one of the GM lenses? I would like to see you compare them here purely for selfish reasons :)

Just my opinion, but the best performing head shot lenses I've seen on the a7rii are: either a Nikon or Canon adapted 200 f2; an adapted Zeiss 1.8 or f2 (depending on mount), and the 85Lii. The 85 OTUS is stupid good, but maybe overkill/overbudget? The 85GM is in the ballpark, from my untrained eye, but these aforementioned four are just killer.


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Mar 15, 2017 21:43 as a reply to  @ mickeyb105's post |  #30

Yeah I will definitely have a lot to think about. I appreciate all the feedback so far




  
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