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Mar 16, 2017 10:15 |  #1

I shoot mainly portraits and headshots


50mm and 85-135mm are my favorite lengths and main concerns

I am swapping from Canon to Sony as of today ( yes im taking the plunge and getting an a7rII haha)
I am wondering what are my best choices for lenses.

$6000 lenses aside, what are my options?
85mm G master?
24-70 G master? Covers all my lengths for starters. I don't mind primes. I actually love them
another lens with an adapter?

How does the adapter effect quality of the image?


I have a sigma 24 and 50mm art and thought I could keep them and get the adapter and get a new portrait lens. Heard good things about the 85mm G master but yeah


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Mar 17, 2017 12:46 |  #2

Basically, there's really no effect on image quality from adapters. Only changes in performance.

For portrait shooting - I have a lot of opinions, to be taken with a grain of salt (but I do spend 90% of my paid shooting time doing headshots for models / actors / corporate clients - other 10% is theatre promo/production). Most people will steer you toward the 85 G Master. And with good reason. It's f/1.4, has VERY nice creamy bokeh, very sharp.

I'd also suggest at least taking a look at the Zeiss Batis 85. It renders a little differently. For my uses, I actually prefer it over the 85GM. I think it has a little more punch, great colors and contrast right out of camera, whereas the 85GM (although creamy as hell) has a slightly flatter rendering and requires a little more coaxing in post to get the same sort of punchy 3D quality I see with the Batis out of camera. I may be in the minority on that opinion, but worth looking at IMHO.

EDIT: It also sort of depends on what sort of "headshots" you do. If you actually do true "headshots" like I do, as in head and shoulders or waist-up at most, the Batis is perfect. I think though, if I spent more time doing more environmental portraiture (rather than actual headshots), with more focus on surroundings, more 3/4 or full body and longer distances to subject (like the sort of stuff Vin shoots), I'd probably lean toward the GM... so that when needed, you can really make that background melt away, which is harder to do with the f/1.8 Batis, which can tend toward nervous busy bokeh with some backgrounds (particularly like golden hour sunset coming through tree branches type settings)


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Mar 20, 2017 10:10 as a reply to  @ bpaulette's post |  #3

yeah my main income is Professional head shots (or will be) so yeah
I was gonna do the Art series 85mm since I have to get the adapter for my other two lenses already but I'll see.

I just want whatever is gonna get me the best quality.
I don't mind editing and post processing so yeah




  
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Mar 20, 2017 13:09 |  #4

Since we don't have a native 135 (yet) I would suggest the 85 GM or Batis as well. I think if you're doing head-shots as your main business you might want a native lens so you can take advantage of eye-focus which is AWESOME and works amazingly well... and (I think) would make sense for you to use....The Batis 135 should be announced April 5th and would be another great choice...The 100mm STF GM is scheduled to hit the shelves March 30th and might be another choice...All of the above lenses except the batis have a dedicated focus lock button that can be programmed to eye-focus too.
I thought I could stick with non native lenses but eye focus is just too cool to pass up and really, the AF works best with native.


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Mar 20, 2017 13:17 as a reply to  @ thatkatmat's post |  #5

Ya I'm already gonna be buying the 85mm
Just don't know whether I want the gmaster or batis

Heard the batis is better for headshots but 85mm is better all around because of the lower aperture and bokeh




  
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Mar 20, 2017 13:31 |  #6

I've used adapters on Nikon lenses on my Sony A7ii. It does affect sharpness. It's not as sharp as when used it its native mount.


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Mar 20, 2017 13:36 |  #7

Nick Aufiero wrote in post #18306049 (external link)
Ya I'm already gonna be buying the 85mm
Just don't know whether I want the gmaster or batis

Heard the batis is better for headshots but 85mm is better all around because of the lower aperture and bokeh

The FE 85 coming at the end of month is a compelling option. Looks sharp and has the extra button you can use for eye focus


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Mar 20, 2017 16:29 |  #8

Well, I sent back the 85GM, mostly because the AF is just a little wonky (reminded me of the older Sigma 85 non Art...Stuttered a lot)...The images are nice...a lot like the Sigma, the bokeh is very smooth...But, I ended up keeping the Batis because focus is more sure and silent, it's like 1/2 the size and I like the rendering, micro contrast really pops.... I have the new 85 on pre order...Ordered it the 1st day so hopefully I'll have mine in a couple weeks...we'll see.


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Mar 20, 2017 17:05 as a reply to  @ thatkatmat's post |  #9

I'll definitely keep the stuff and mine. I think I've decided that I'm gonna sell all of my stuff and just get native glass to be honest it seems like the easiest

For now I gotta figure out 24,50,85 lenses to get haha

Also not sure if I want 35 or 24. Think 24 is the better option if I ever use it.

So the new 85mm coming out is gonna be better than the batis?
What's the price on it?


Seems to be $600 so half the price of the batis? Is that gonna hold up or should I just get the batis?

I need the highest quality I can get for a final product since it's my main money maker




  
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Mar 20, 2017 17:41 |  #10

Nick Aufiero wrote in post #18306244 (external link)
I'll definitely keep the stuff and mine. I think I've decided that I'm gonna sell all of my stuff and just get native glass to be honest it seems like the easiest

For now I gotta figure out 24,50,85 lenses to get haha

Also not sure if I want 35 or 24. Think 24 is the better option if I ever use it.

So the new 85mm coming out is gonna be better than the batis?
What's the price on it?


Seems to be $600 so half the price of the batis? Is that gonna hold up or should I just get the batis?

I need the highest quality I can get for a final product since it's my main money maker

there's a rolling review of it here: https://phillipreeve.n​et …review-sony-fe-85-mm-1-8/ (external link)

batis is definitely higher end, but looks like you get 95% performance with the FE 85, lower weight, less distortion, and dedicated custom button (which is a hugely nice option).


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Mar 20, 2017 18:11 as a reply to  @ Charlie's post |  #11

Hmm. I'll keep an eye on it.




  
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Mar 20, 2017 19:39 |  #12

For outdoor head-shots it seems that the lens to get is the 100 STF GM!


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Mar 20, 2017 21:26 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #13

I do both sadly.
100mm is very manageable but I prefer 85mm or 135 lol




  
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Mar 20, 2017 23:12 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #14

Carlo, how do you feel about 85Lii vs 85 Batis vs 85 GM?

You have tested the later two extensively.


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Mar 20, 2017 23:40 |  #15

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Carlo, how do you feel about 85Lii vs 85 Batis vs 85 GM?

You have tested the later two extensively.

I'd say the GM is the most well rounded....85LII is probably the best in terms of bokeh and glow, but the GM is very close and the 85LII is on the soft side when compared to the two newer 85's.

The Batis is has that Zeiss micro-contrast and really vibrant colors...I suspect that compared to the FE 85 coming soon, that the Batis will still exceed in this regard. That said, the OOF rendering of the Batis can get pretty nasty when there are strong highlights in the OOF areas, which always bothered me since I do a lot of outdoor portraits.

The GM has a much more muted rendering that then Batis....its more similar to the 85LII in terms of rendering. Colors are flatter than the Batis, but the bokeh is much better. Interestingly, the character of the GM changes pretty dramatically when you stop it down to 1.7.....it's much more contrasty and similar to the Batis once you close the aperture those few clicks. My sweet spot with the lens is right at 1.7, and I only open it up when I really need to throw the background out of of focus as much as possible or need the light gathering.


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