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Apr 20, 2017 20:57 |  #46
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Canon 1DX II vs Sony a9 AF Tracking performance comparison

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Apr 20, 2017 21:15 |  #47

That's looking good. Can't wait to see it in the hands of some real action shooters and hear what they have to say.

A question, is the sensor on this somewhere between the A7s II and A7rII for low light capability? (based on pixel density)


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Apr 20, 2017 22:34 |  #48

Looks amazing on paper. Touch tilt screen, happiness. I'll hold off happiness on the joystick to see if it actually works or has issues like the A99ii which was a deal breaker for me coupled with it not having a touchscreen either.

After thinking about it I started to think that they will come out with one or two variations of the A9 because of the body. If it was truly meant to directly challenge the 1d and D5 they should have made it a unibody with grip built in #1 to make it a little more rugged and robust, and #2 to slap a huge single battery in it just like Canikon flagships. That would help mitigate the battery advantage even more. BUT, If they plan on doing variations it would save a lot of money using a body they already have instead of having another body without a grip built in.

I tip my hat to Sony for pushing the envelope and thank them for doing so! Ironically I remember reading and article just a little while ago where someone at Fuji said that mirrorless was probably one generation of processors away from being able to legitimately keep up and even surpass DSLRs. LOL!


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Apr 20, 2017 22:54 |  #49

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Smallness = portability. I am seriously looking at the Sony system as it significantly decreases the bag size I have to lug around. Smaller camera, smaller lenses = smaller bag. Right now I'm lugging around a Lowepro Slingshot 200 AW and it does get to be a pain.

But as a Petapixel article has shown, the reduction in body size and weight does not always translate into similar savings of lens size and weight...a number of comparative photos have shown that with comparable FL and aperture lenses, the body+lens combination might actually be a bit deeper than the dSLR equivalent. Same FL for same sensor size = very similar weight and length of lens...thinner body can mean that more barrel length is needed (if the optical design was not specifically for a 'more telephoto' version of the same FL.)

https://petapixel.com …mirrorless-fatal-mistake/ (external link)


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Apr 20, 2017 22:55 |  #50

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20fps? Jesus Christ that's like filming.

The a7r3 should be interesting.

Ive been waiting with cash in the bank for the 6dm2 but its probably better to wait for the a7r3.

Sony is looking like the not so distant future of photography.

Canon and Nikon better get their stuff together because their future is looking dim.

Im the same as you but I am not even considering the 6d2. The a7r2 already seems awesome from the reviews ive seen but my 6d does just fine. The A7r3 though would probably be enough to get me to upgrade.


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Apr 20, 2017 22:58 |  #51

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A new flagship camera announced by one of the world's top camera manufacturers, and after one day there are only 2 pages of posts on its announcement thread? That is strange!

I thought that this forum was not supposed to be Canon-centric anymore, but clearly there is still a bias toward Canon when it comes to forum activity. What does Sony have to do to get just as much attention as Canon gets here on POTN?
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This forum was 100% canon for quite some time. It wasnt like a whole new group of posters signed up just because the forum changed structure. I just take it for a grain of salt that you will get much more canon love here than with other brands.


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Apr 20, 2017 23:38 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #52

That's why there are lenses like the Zeiss 24 1.8, Zeiss 55 1.8 and the Sigma e-mount series of lenses--to keep size down and IQ up.

As a prime shooter it is hard not to be pleased with the size/ weight savings and end product after a day of shooting.

You come to the Sony threads with that PP story like every other month. We get it, science wins and Sony shooters have bought into nothing but a fad!!!


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Apr 20, 2017 23:47 |  #53

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You come to the Sony threads with that PP story like every other month. We get it, science wins and Sony shooters have bought into nothing but a fad!!!

Not a fad, but marketing propaganda. We all fall victims of that, to various degrees. In the case of Sony mirrorless, the smaller FL for less-than-FF allowed Sony to beat that drum in an effort to gain market share, along with the mirrorless drum. Olympus had the size advantage and mirrorless design, for years before Sony, but did not beat that drum as strongly. When Sony failed to win more share in the FF market after plateauing at 3 Million and is prevented from getting more share from Nikon/Canon, it lets consumers continue to beat the size/weight drum to differentiate from its FF competition.

Sony deserves the size/weight advantage distinction for the FF mirrorless body; but as the petapixel article showed, that same advantage apparently has failed to materialize when lens size and weight are considered. Yes the FF mirrorless body is smaller and lighter. But if the weight saving is ONLY in the body, and the body is 25% of the weight of a kit with lenses, then a 20% drop in body weight amounts to 5% in kit weight.


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Apr 21, 2017 00:00 |  #54

I think the point is that with Sony, you have access to smaller sized primes than with Canon, even if you kept the canon selection down to the sl1, the smallest Canon dslr. Or at least that seems to be what I glean from Sony owners.


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Apr 21, 2017 07:46 |  #55

I'll have to play around with one. The specs seem right if I can just get past the ergonomics. The X-T20 the wife has is small but I've gotten kinda use to it. This is much bigger than the Fuji and has tons of amazing features. Depending on some of the glass options this could get me to swap.

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Apr 21, 2017 07:56 |  #56
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Cameras like a7r2, a9, x-t2, xt10, em1 are not small. Mirrorless returned camera sizes back to the same size they used to be in film days.

DSLR got fat and oversized because back in the day electronics were oversized and couldn't fit in a film camera body.

Now with advancement in technology cameras returned to the norm.


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Apr 21, 2017 08:23 as a reply to  @ post 18333777 |  #57

It just gets so old.

We don't care what anyone shoots on the Sony forum. It is fantastic when mods and fantastic posters share their opinions and experiences here.

Many of the regulars here shoot multi-platform, or are very open to the idea.

But why troll just to make sure the boards minority brand shooters know that you think your way is better than theirs?

When I'm out shooting and I see someone else shooting a D5, D500, 80D, or the rare Pentax body I don't walk up to them and explain how flawed their logic is for owning one. I do try and ask them what they like about their gear, though, as I love hearing their opinions.


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Apr 21, 2017 10:19 |  #58

When it comes to size, I greatly prefer a large camera, despite the fact that my hands are average in size. . I wish that Sony would realize that some people like to hold bigger cameras in their hands, and increase the size of their bodies.

A friend has a Sony 6 thousand something that is really small. .He got some kind of cage thing that looks kinda like a speed plate that wraps all the way around the camera. . It increases the overall size significantly, and he us able to use the camera comfortably due to the additional size.

The optional battery grip for the A9 seems like a no-brainer, but even with the grip the camera is too small for comfortable use.

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Apr 21, 2017 10:39 |  #59

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18333886 (external link)
When it comes to size, I greatly prefer a large camera, despite the fact that my hands are average in size. . I wish that Sony would realize that some people like to hold bigger cameras in their hands, and increase the size of their bodies.

A friend has a Sony 6 thousand something that is really small. .He got some kind of cage thing that looks kinda like a speed plate that wraps all the way around the camera. . It increases the overall size significantly, and he us able to use the camera comfortably due to the additional size.

The optional battery grip for the A9 seems like a no-brainer, but even with the grip the camera is too small for comfortable use.

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I think the trend is that people want smaller, lighter, more compact rigs today. I think compact size may even be a more important factor than weight.


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mwsilver wrote in post #18333902 (external link)
I think the trend is that people want smaller, lighter, more compact rigs today. I think compact size may even be a more important factor than weight.

that is the trend, and that trend is becoming bigger and bigger day by day in all regions around the world except in USA, where people in USA still have the mentality of "bigger is better", but that is also changing slowly.

Canon and and especially Nikon market shares are shrinking, while Sonys (and other mirrorless makers) are increasing, maybe slowly, but its happening.

There are hundreds of articles of people ditching DLSR for mirrorless bodies, while close to none of doing the opposite.


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