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Apr 06, 2017 19:04 |  #1

I'm not very familiar with black and white, this took me 3 hours to edit.

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Apr 06, 2017 19:08 |  #2

this took me 3 hours to edit

Why, was it an image of a flute?


Looks real good to me.




  
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Apr 06, 2017 19:10 |  #3

texkam wrote in post #18321531 (external link)
this took me 3 hours to edit

Why, was it an image of a flute?


Looks real good to me.

LOL, no I just really suck at making decisions and the original file was rather flat.

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Apr 06, 2017 21:00 |  #4

Ya might want to take a look at one of the old film noir movies in B&W


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Apr 07, 2017 10:35 |  #5

I would like to see the instrument (wood grain/varnish) more in focus than the strings, to me that tells the story of the instrument. The wear on the wood shows a seasoned instrument with character. Strings come and go.

I have one old beat up guitar with a few dings and paint worn off, passed down from my father. If I shot that guitar, that tells a story in a photo, my fairly new Strat and Les Paul would look like a product catalog shot.... ;-)a


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Apr 08, 2017 19:32 |  #6

Here's a different one in color. This time the focus is somewhere midway down the bridge but focus when I have the extension tube in is very touchy.


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Apr 08, 2017 19:33 |  #7

chauncey wrote in post #18321597 (external link)
Ya might want to take a look at one of the old film noir movies in B&W


Chaunce, I'm not sure if that's a put down or an honest suggestion.. :D


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Apr 09, 2017 06:40 |  #8

atsilverstein wrote in post #18321533 (external link)
LOL, no I just really suck at making decisions and the original file was rather flat.

Thanks.

I can't imagine what the original looked like as my first thought looking at the B&W above was that it looked flat.


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Chaunce, I'm not sure if that's a put down or an honest suggestion.. :D

I don't think this is a put down at all. I believe he's referring to the same thing I'm thinking which is what's missing here. There are so many great film noir movies that show just fantastic lighting, Touch of Evil, Double Indemnity are two that I can think of right off that show this. The sort of hard contrast black and white, not grey quality is what I think would do this picture well.

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Apr 09, 2017 07:39 |  #9

Was in no way meant as a put-down. I am a fan of quality movies...the ones that have superior lighting and photography. In spite of not being overwhelmed
by the script, Celestine Prophesy, http://www.imdb.com …80857?ref_=tt_p​v_vi_aiv_1 (external link) has that superior photography and lighting.
We all could improve our own photography by watching those types of movies and analyzing how they do stuff.


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Apr 09, 2017 09:38 |  #10

chauncey wrote in post #18323279 (external link)
Was in no way meant as a put-down. I am a fan of quality movies...the ones that have superior lighting and photography. In spite of not being overwhelmed
by the script, Celestine Prophesy, http://www.imdb.com …80857?ref_=tt_p​v_vi_aiv_1 (external link) has that superior photography and lighting.
We all could improve our own photography by watching those types of movies and analyzing how they do stuff.

Excellent advise. Film noir movies featured hard lighting for key and back lights and rarely used fill. I think that the B&W image above would have benefited from hard lighting. The lighting looks soft and lacks shadows. Also, side lighting may have helped bring out more of the texture of the wood. Personally, I probably would have wanted to include more of the violin since it's intricate shape provides many areas that are perfect for capturing the contrast between light and shadows.


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Apr 09, 2017 10:51 |  #11

Excellent advise

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Apr 09, 2017 11:01 |  #12

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I didn't attempt B&W conversion for a long time because I didn't like the results I was getting. Lighting (shadows) is very important w/ B&W. Also, for me, I found increasing the saturation a bit helped with contrast later during the conversion. You may want to look into NIK software (it used to cost $$, but Google bought it and it's now FREE). It's awesome that it's free, but now there are no updates or improvements since Google doesn't really care about it. I love the B&W conversion and the sharpening tools. It's helpful to watch some tutorials. Can't go wrong with free;-)a They are plug-ins for PSE and LR.

btw funny enough I am watching some film noir as we speak, LOL




  
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Apr 09, 2017 18:24 |  #13

Both images are truly beautiful. ya know like hanging on your wall beautiful!!!




  
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Apr 21, 2017 07:07 as a reply to  @ atsilverstein's post |  #14

For better overall focus, I'd go manual, use f/11, high ISO, and play with shutter speed.




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Apr 21, 2017 08:21 |  #15

trailguy wrote in post #18333749 (external link)
For better overall focus, I'd go manual, use f/11, high ISO, and play with shutter speed.

Yes, but due to the extension tube there's little different in dof.


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