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Apr 21, 2017 14:23 |  #76

Wilt if you don't go for an FF mirrorless, then the weight savings is more like 30-40% or more. It's only with the SONY that FF is preventing more weight savings.


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Apr 21, 2017 14:34 |  #77

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18334093 (external link)
Wilt if you don't go for an FF mirrorless, then the weight savings is more like 30-40% or more. It's only with the SONY that FF is preventing more weight savings.

I own FF dSLR. but I mostly shoot with APS-C dSLR because I don't have to lug as long a FL to get the same narrower AOV, and the IQ is just dandy for me. These days the only reason for FF size is to use a 24mm shift lens for architectural interiors the way it was intended; 17mm on APS-C just does not cut it. I absolutely do not have the need to shoot in the dark noiselessly...my 7DII seems to do a darn fine job of shooting in EV-3 light where the camera can scarely focus or meter!

I only took this photo to see what the camera could do in focusing and metering EV-3 darkness...

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...and I had to let my eyes acclimate for 10 minutes simply to be able to see well enough to make out something in the viewfinder so I could aim.

As to the weight savings of smaller formats, Olympus has that in the Micro 4/3 format, and its shorter FL for same AOV. Folks seem to have forgotten that design is mirrorless, too, but its smaller sensor. What makes Sony so appealing is the combination with a superb sensor. Even the very newest Olympus E-M1 Mark II is only on par with the 2.5 year old 7DII in sensor noise.

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Apr 21, 2017 16:37 |  #78

If you compare the systems w/ their best 70-200/2.8 lenses, you still save 1.5lbs w/ the sony (body/lens). A day full of shooting and that will add up.


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Apr 21, 2017 16:51 |  #79

DagoImaging wrote in post #18334200 (external link)
If you compare the systems w/ their best 70-200/2.8 lenses, you still save 1.5lbs w/ the sony (body/lens). A day full of shooting and that will add up.


How do you figure?

  • 2380g 5D MkIV w/ 70-200 f/2.8
  • 2105g A7RII w/ 70-200 f/2.8

difference = 275g or 9.7oz

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Apr 21, 2017 16:52 |  #80

I don't know how can i let myself sacrifice Canon DSLR and beloved 300 2.8IS and little beloved sister 70-200 2.8ISii just to get Sony A9 and what lens, wait, i am still dreaming, good.

I like what is Sony doing all these years recently, but i want a strong system if i want to move on with something other than Canon or Nikon, lenses is the factor number one for me to decide on any photography equipment in digital, I shoot sports and my 300 is my best lens then following by 70-200, if i get A9 with Sony 70-200 and looking for Saony 300 2.8 it means i have to sell my entire Canon gear to get that.

I was waiting for a camera to be a backup or replacement for 1DX but without sacrificing my 1DX, 1DXII is overpriced for me, another 1DX isn't going to add more for me and still i can't afford it, A9 is also in same league of 1DX price now so out of reach too, A6500 or A6300 or even A77II all are nice action cameras, but the lenses system killed them for me, and the prices for lenses equivalent to Canon lenses i have the prices are almost the same as Canon, so for me it is like i keep watching Sony producing new camera and another and another and i don't get anything.

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Apr 21, 2017 16:55 as a reply to  @ Tareq's post |  #81

Yeah, Sony's still trying to catch up in terms of lenses. They're cranking them out, but still nothing on the super tele prime end, at lest in e mount


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Apr 21, 2017 16:58 |  #82

Im not sure if the weight thing is that important to a lot of people, but compared to using a 5d each with a 50/55 it is less bulky, I prefer it as it feels more like using the FD series canons I love, for film 35mm I would use the AE1p I still have. So I think it feels right in the hand but then I never use big 2.8 zooms, not a big wide open photographer and prefer primes.
I did consider the A9 but I don't need anything it does over what I have apart from the dual slots, but for those that need a silent camera and near movie frame rates I could see it being a great camera. If it brackets at that frame rate and can do 7 or 9 shot brackets I could see it loved by the HDR people. It should be good for all of us though as it will push others to advance hopefully and the tech will eventually filter down.


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Apr 21, 2017 17:05 as a reply to  @ bpaulette's post |  #83

I would hope the lenses will come in time, they seem to release 3/4 lenses a year so I would guess the next primes will be longer ones, lens/system they are 30 years or so behind Canon and Nikon. I would think in a way it was also easy for Canon to take a lot of the FD lenses and make them AF as a form of stop gap solution, the FE mount was a different ball game from the A mount so they were starting from scratch.


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Apr 21, 2017 17:09 |  #84

bpaulette wrote in post #18334212 (external link)
Yeah, Sony's still trying to catch up in terms of lenses. They're cranking them out, but still nothing on the super tele prime end, at lest in e mount

For that matter, the E-mount FF camera has a shortage of WA lenses, too. 28mm f/2 is is the widest, apart from 16-35mm f/4. Got multiple 24mm-something zooms


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Apr 21, 2017 17:27 |  #85

Sony A9 is great but what is not great is Sony glass. Big and heavy. I know this A9 is not targeting the "light" crowd but for those who travel and/or want light the Fuji system being crop provides wonderful lenses/camera for a total workable system that is light as can be. I'm very envious of my wifes X-T20 at times.


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Apr 21, 2017 17:34 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #86

The Zeiss-Batis 25/2.


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Apr 21, 2017 17:38 |  #87

alex66 wrote in post #18334214 (external link)
Im not sure if the weight thing is that important to a lot of people, but compared to using a 5d each with a 50/55 it is less bulky, I prefer it as it feels more like using the FD series canons I love, for film 35mm I would use the AE1p I still have. So I think it feels right in the hand but then I never use big 2.8 zooms, not a big wide open photographer and prefer primes.

This is also my experience using the a7r/55 1.8. The weight/size/IQ ratio is pretty tough to beat.


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Apr 21, 2017 17:40 |  #88

Wilt wrote in post #18334218 (external link)
For that matter, the E-mount FF camera has a shortage of WA lenses, too. 28mm f/2 is is the widest, apart from 16-35mm f/4. Got multiple 24mm-something zooms

If you're only looking at Sony proper, yeah, the 16-35 and 28 are basically it. 3rd party makers have the wide end covered pretty well though. Not a whole lot that include AF wider than the 28, but the Zeiss Batis 18 and 25 are both AF and amazing pieces of glass

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Apr 21, 2017 17:58 as a reply to  @ bpaulette's post |  #89

For those of us over the age of 45 who have greater difficulty getting our eyes to work well in a manual focus world, not having AF kinda defeats the reasons that we no longer pick up manual focus systems to use routinely! I virtually never manually adjust focus any more, as AF does just fine by me. I don't notice out of focus shots during postprocessing, so I know it is not the failure of my eyes in the viewfinder. The two Zeiss Batis lenses do fill the WA gap somewhat; is the direction of focus consistent across Sony and Sony/Zeiss lenses?

I did a bit of research and it turns out that Sony is not alone with Zeiss in its dependence for part of the lens line up, but it also includes a Tamron lens. It would appear that some lenses focus with Infinity on the right of the scale, and other lenses focus with Infinity on the left of the scale.


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Apr 21, 2017 18:01 |  #90

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