Sony Overtakes #2 Position in U.S. Full-Frame Interchangeable Lens Camera Market - bye Nikon

Wilt wrote in post #18330375
A statement made in 2017 about 2016 results? do you know where that position is substantiated in published figures.

A statement made in 2016 about 2015 Japan market places Olympus on the top of the mirrorless heap...

https://photorumors.co​m …-camera-rankings-are-out/

Those results for Japan alone, however. Global data would be far more interesting but is likely very hard to come by.

Keep in mind Nikon has had a long term well established presence in the DSLR market including FF DSLR. That means most of their FF costumer base already have their FF cameras and are satisfied with it. Besides, Nikon hasn't had a significant upgrade of their FF DSLR in 2016 to motivate their FF clients to upgrade their already excellent cameras. If for example, Nikon comes up with a new 42mp FF DSLR in 2017, I give a good chance, they move up back to #2 in FF camera market.

That said, I have been surprised to see Sony has been so successful to luring quite a number of Canon and Nikon clients to their cameras in such a short time, thanks to their relentless efforts to improve their cameras and bring some innovations. I hope they continue the same route which will eventually encourage Canon and Nikon to be more innovative too (instead of only making 'gradual feature improvements'). At the end, it is us, the consumers who will win from competition regardless of which camera brand we own.

DaviSto wrote in post #18330384
Those results for Japan alone, however. Global data would be far more interesting but is likely very hard to come by.

Yes, I discovered the geographically limited dataset after posting, and had subsequently edited that post, to show some data worldwide...

Do you know where that position for mirrorless overall is substantiated in published figures?
I found one source of information: Apparently now Sony's mirrorless camera offerings hold a 34% market share in the competitive mirrorless camera market. Olympus has 22% market share. And Fuji has 15% and Panasonic has 11% according to data I read.

Sony has just announced the a9 and it gives the D5 a run for the money.

Nikon really needs to release another a competitive body, but there's nothing indicating that they have anything in the pipeline.

Yes, A9 is impressive though, for me the AF speed is not the issue but it's AF reliability and AF performance in low light performance that matters most. A9 built to be an action/sport camera, is competing against the top Canon/Nikon camera in that field. Whether its AF holds to them is to be seen.

But what exactly does #2 in FF mean?

My understanding is that Sony sold more FF bodies than Nikon did in Jan and Feb of 2017?

It certainly doesnt mean Sony has historically sold more FF than Nikon. Then again, Nikon has been selling FF much longer while Sony has had more recent releases of FF bodies.

What makes Sony's claim a bit difficult to analyze is that I have not seen a hard sales data of who sold what where and how many when.

rxjohn wrote in post #18335672
But what exactly does #2 in FF mean?

My understanding is that Sony sold more FF bodies than Nikon did in Jan and Feb of 2017?

I think it is for the US, and it is not more bodies but more sales in dollars of FF bodies.

I think the Sony's statment is pretty much clear. If you are not sure what it means, I suggest go and find the the news at its source. It's that simple.

rxjohn wrote in post #18335672
But what exactly does #2 in FF mean?

My understanding is that Sony sold more FF bodies than Nikon did in Jan and Feb of 2017?

It certainly doesnt mean Sony has historically sold more FF than Nikon. Then again, Nikon has been selling FF much longer while Sony has had more recent releases of FF bodies.

What makes Sony's claim a bit difficult to analyze is that I have not seen a hard sales data of who sold what where and how many when.

raminolta wrote in post #18336147
I think the Sony's statment is pretty much clear. If you are not sure what it means, I suggest go and find the the news at its source. It's that simple.

I did find the news at its source. And it is not clear. And I doubt you know what it means, do you? What exactly does it mean... #2 position based on 2 months worth of data?

rxjohn wrote in post #18336197
I did find the news at its source. And it is not clear. And I doubt you know what it means, do you? What exactly does it mean... #2 position based on 2 months worth of data?

Well, I never checked this news at its source myself! I really don't care whether Sony is number one, two, three or else. I just like their system regardless.

Alright, I may check it out myself just to let you know if I find out the answer.

This is what I get so far:

" The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan- Feb 2017".

From this I understand Sony has got more dollars from selling FF cameras during the two months of Jan/Feb 2017 than Nikon did. That is if we add up the sum of the prices of all ff cameras Sony has sold during this period, it exceeds that of Nikon in the same period. The statement is pretty clear to me. It is not talking about the number of ff cameras sold nor about the number of sold ff cameras during any other perdiod of humankind!

rxjohn wrote in post #18336197
I did find the news at its source. And it is not clear. And I doubt you know what it means, do you? What exactly does it mean... #2 position based on 2 months worth of data?

raminolta wrote in post #18336540
This is what I get so far:

" The NPD Group / Retail Tracking Service, U.S., Detachable Lens Camera, Full Frame, Based on Dollars, Jan- Feb 2017".

From this I understand Sony has got more dollars from selling FF cameras during the two months of Jan/Feb 2017 than Nikon did. That is if we add up the sum of the prices of all ff cameras Sony has sold during this period, it exceeds that of Nikon in the same period. The statement is pretty clear to me. It is not talking about the number of ff cameras sold nor about the the number of ff cameras sold during any other perdiod of humankind!

Here's an article for all those confused: http://www.dslrbodies.​com …ny-throws-some-smack.html

idkdc wrote in post #18336562
Here's an article for all those confused: http://www.dslrbodies.​com …ny-throws-some-smack.html

Illustrates the truth of the axiom, "There are lies, and then there are statistics", along with the corrolary, "..and then there is marketing spin". The real truth can often be found 'elsewhere'.

Illustrating the perceptions that can be spun from statistics, here we show that during March the Dow fell after a period of strong gain, and has just now 'finally managed to recover the loss' in mid April, as if the Dow was struggling