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Apr 23, 2017 10:00 |  #1

I took this photo in a gym with not the best lighting , but am wondering what i could do better or have i reached the potential of the 70D in these conditions . No flash was allowed or additional lighting .. ISO 3200 //f/3.2-....1/400...55mm ..


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Apr 23, 2017 18:42 |  #2

Shoot lower, shoot tighter, crop tighter


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Apr 23, 2017 18:48 |  #3

Set your white balance (I set a custom WB in camera) and raise your ISO up to 6400, This will give you a faster shutter speed, which cleans up motion a bit. I agree with trying to get lower.


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Apr 23, 2017 20:15 |  #4

i was afraid to go past 3200 , I don't think i have ever went past 3200 ... thinking the photo would look way to grainy or to much noise ?
..I certainly thank you guys for the input , Im on the edge of going for the 7dmk2 or 80d ... but if the 70d is capable of better maybe i can make it work a bit longer




  
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Apr 23, 2017 21:21 as a reply to  @ 12Rock's post |  #5

Grain/high iso isn't as much of a problem if you fill the frame with the subject (aka shoot tighter). If you shoot loose and then try to crop into a high iso shot, it will look like junk. & Open up to 2.8 to buy you some more shutter speed. 1/500 is fine for girls basketball.

Not much image quality difference between a 70d, 80d and 7dII. If the 17-55mm is the longest lens you have, getting a longer lens (85 1.8, 100 f2, 70-200 2.8) is where my money would go.

Upgrading the camera body is rarely the answer if you aren't happy with your photos.


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Apr 23, 2017 21:26 |  #6

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i was afraid to go past 3200 , I don't think i have ever went past 3200 ... thinking the photo would look way to grainy or to much noise ?

I have regularly shot low light sports at max ISO (both on my original 7D and now the 5DIII). While photographers make a big fuss about noise I have never had anyone else comment on it. Just apply a bit of noise reduction in Lightroom (don't try to eliminate all noise, you will kill too much detail). If you are outputting at 2000ish pixels on the long side for emailing or web use it is unlikely anyone will notice the noise.


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Apr 23, 2017 21:49 |  #7

The 7D2 is better at high ISO than the 70D/80D, but a little bit anyways. You can shoot at higher ISOs, if you use proper post processing techniques and tools. This nets you faster shutter speeds which will help sharpness in the image for action. I would strive to get to 1/800 to 1/1000 at a minimum.

I don't have a ton with the 7D2 for middle school shots, most of the shots were in more professional venues. Here are 1 of each type of shoot.

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Apr 23, 2017 22:16 |  #8

Consider picking up the 85 f/1.8 or 100 f/2 if you don't already own them. Shooting midcourt with 55mm just isn't enough reach for this shot. The 17-55 is useful for under the rim shooting.

This shot would look much better at f/2.2, ISO 400, and 1/640 with the 100mm f/2.




  
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Apr 24, 2017 09:38 |  #9

Again i thank you all for the good insight it’s very valuable. I usually shot lacrosse outside, Some wrestling but this is a first for inside gym basketball . Ironically i have both the 85, & 70-200. I did not give the 85 a thought at all , and when i had the 70-200 on it was to tight and tough to grab some shots , and yep most of my time i spent under or close to the basket .. lesson learned from you folks here, on position and lens for next week




  
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Apr 24, 2017 09:43 |  #10

Just be careful shooting fast long primes... especially if you are near the action. Your AF settings and your ability to keep an AF point on the player will have to be spot on due to the restrictive DOF. I run about f/3.2 or so when shooting basketball, and I move around the perimeter of the court.

I don't think I would ever shoot under f/2.8 personally. Of course small kids don't move at the same pace as pro players, so a wider opening might work.


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Apr 24, 2017 15:53 |  #11

There is a gym in town that has black walls so light gets sucked up. So when I shoot sports there, I regularly shoot at ISO 12800 with a Canon 7D2 to freeze the action and the noise is not that bad.




  
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Apr 24, 2017 16:43 |  #12

I sold my 70D and bought a 6D just because of indoor basketball. I regularly shoot at 1/1000th, F2 and ISO 12800 for my kid's games. I went through a few different lenses and landed on the 100mm f/2. The 85mm f/1.8 was fine too. If you're shooting from the side line try your 85mm f/1.8. If you want to shoot under the basket try a 50mm f/1.8.




  
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Apr 24, 2017 21:53 |  #13

To respond to the above, DOF challenges are typically much less important with APS-C. f/2.2 on APS-C will give similar DOF to f/3.2 on full frame which nobody on the sidelines would think twice about.

Yes, you will miss some shots and you have to be careful about AF point placement. But overall I am 100% confident that approach would yield more keepers.




  
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Jul 18, 2017 09:32 |  #14

12Rock wrote in post #18335707 (external link)
I took this photo in a gym with not the best lighting , but am wondering what i could do better or have i reached the potential of the 70D in these conditions . No flash was allowed or additional lighting .. ISO 3200 //f/3.2-....1/400...55mm ..

I start shooting basketball when I got my infamous 70D. I have shot with the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 II APO EX DG, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM, EF-S 18-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM (kit lens), EF 200mm f1.8 USM, and Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4 HSM non-Contemporary with the infamous 70D. I have shot from ISO 3200-12800, so far I been happy with the results. I would like to get a 7DII, but I don't have the money at this time. I might get it when their replacement comes. For now I am making the infamous 70D work for me. Here are some links with pictures I had posted.

with Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 II APO EX DG
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18247456

with Canon 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18243190

with EF-S 18-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM and EF 200mm f1.8 USM
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18263821

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Jul 20, 2017 09:26 as a reply to  @ wpaul98's post |  #15

As some have suggested in this thread, I would go with the 85mm or 100mm lens.
I myself use both of these with very good success. I have upgraded my camera body along
the way, but started out with a 30D and these lens. Typical conditions were ISO 1600
to ISO 3200. 70D certainly will outperform the 30D in both ISO performance and autofocus
I would imagine. Open up your aperture/ISO and get your speeds up to freeze the action.

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