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Apr 23, 2017 14:51 |  #166
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Apr 23, 2017 15:29 |  #167

bpaulette wrote in post #18335948 (external link)
Are you seeing a lot of LED's lately in concert halls? They were almost non-existent in theatre a few years ago, and now they've just exploded in popularity. I hate them with a passion

I think they're there, but I don't really notice them because I shoot the 5DIV and use the light cycle peak option. I have yet to use the Fujifilm XT2 for silent shooting ironically as I prefer the 5DIV + 200mm f/2L IS and 300mm f/2.8L IS II lenses over the 50-140mm f/2.8.


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Apr 23, 2017 17:26 |  #168

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I think they're there, but I don't really notice them because I shoot the 5DIV and use the light cycle peak option. I have yet to use the Fujifilm XT2 for silent shooting ironically as I prefer the 5DIV + 200mm f/2L IS and 300mm f/2.8L IS II lenses over the 50-140mm f/2.8.


I don't notice them on the A7Rii either, when using the physical shutter. At least, no banding. That only happens in silent mode. To my eye though, there's just a general quality of light that is different. Colors look much crappier. (And I spent a couple weeks shooting the 5D4 and A7Rii side by side - the LED's looked equally crappy, color-wise, on both - haha)

I'm very jealous of your 200 f/2. That thing is a beast


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Apr 23, 2017 18:22 |  #169

bpaulette wrote in post #18336151 (external link)
I don't notice them on the A7Rii either, when using the physical shutter. At least, no banding. That only happens in silent mode. To my eye though, there's just a general quality of light that is different. Colors look much crappier. (And I spent a couple weeks shooting the 5D4 and A7Rii side by side - the LED's looked equally crappy, color-wise, on both - haha)

I'm very jealous of your 200 f/2. That thing is a beast

Yeah, I'm not sure what LED's our particular concert hall is using. I think it's outfitted similarly to Walt Disney Concert Hall and Carnegie Hall, so probably the same as whatever they're using. With top of light peak cycle and AWB-W enabled, I prefer the 5DIV and 1DXII colors to Fujifilm indoors. I don't get the hype for Fuji colors, at least indoors.

Haha, yeah it inspires me work out more at the gym. The 35mm f/1.4L II is just as dope too if you get a chance to try it. I'm waiting for the 85mm f/1.4L IS with the same build and tech (they literally built the 35LII with similar supertelephoto construction as the 300mm f/2.8L IS II)


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Apr 23, 2017 21:38 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #170

Late to the party here. Very interesting headline specs

rxjohn wrote in post #18334788 (external link)
And I don't imagine many will be shooting at f11 with high shutter speed.

Panning subjects (usually motor vehicles) in bright sunlight is an easy example (shutter speed down below 1/100s but still plenty fast enough to allow 20fps if the camera is capable of it). Plenty of motorsport shooters out there who will all take a lot of panning shots at every event they cover. Having a frame rate that high would be fantastic for that I think.


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Apr 23, 2017 23:24 |  #171

bpaulette wrote in post #18336151 (external link)
I'm very jealous of your 200 f/2. That thing is a beast

I'm not.

It's not so much beast really. Very handholdable


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Apr 24, 2017 00:18 |  #172

Talley wrote in post #18336514 (external link)
I'm not.

It's not so much beast really. Very handholdable

It's pretty handholdable. Just not a mirrorless setup. The bokeh is beast though. Could have some better contrast, autofocus, more weight reduction and newer white paint though.


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Apr 24, 2017 13:46 |  #173

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What about using EF mount lenses with an adaptor? Will we get the full 20 FPS when we use our Canon supertelephotos with the A9?

Well then RAW shooters might as well just stick with their 1D series Canons and equivalent Nikons, if speed is what matters. But I though that 20 FPS and a huge buffer was the whole point of this A9.

I just don't get it - it's like there is this "shocking announcement" about 20 FPS and a few hundred shots in a burst . . . . . but there seem to be so many exceptions to those figures that in real-world usage it won't deliver those specs to those who need them the most.

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Where did yo hear that 20fps doesnt show raw? It does! just at 12 bit not 14 bit


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Apr 24, 2017 18:37 |  #174

what's the point of the excellent EXMOR sensor if you limit it to 12 bit?

Just a light hearted joke.

What frame rate can it manage at 14bit? If it's more than 10fps, it's still very, very good IMO


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Apr 24, 2017 19:51 |  #175

smythie wrote in post #18337469 (external link)
what's the point of the excellent EXMOR sensor if you limit it to 12 bit?

Just a light hearted joke.

What frame rate can it manage at 14bit? If it's more than 10fps, it's still very, very good IMO

You need the mechanical shutter for the second curtain, so 5fps


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Apr 24, 2017 19:54 |  #176

oh, that's a bit disappointing :(


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Apr 24, 2017 20:06 |  #177

smythie wrote in post #18337542 (external link)
oh, that's a bit disappointing :(

Nevermind, I take that back. With any of the previous A7, 14 bit only comes in single shot. Even bulb was 12 bit. I'm assuming that's unchanged


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Apr 24, 2017 21:04 |  #178

Not sure how accurate this site (external link) is but it states 12 fps is the limit for 14 bit uncompressed raw files (with electronic shutter). Still pretty decent


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Apr 26, 2017 08:03 |  #179

rxjohn wrote in post #18334788 (external link)
10 fps refers to with an A-mount lens and an adapter. I don't believe that is the case with e-mount lenses... and as long as aperture is larger than f11, it will AF track.

And I don't imagine many will be shooting at f11 with high shutter speed.

Also, my understanding is RAW shoots at 12 fps.

No you can shoot 20fps in raw not 12.


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Apr 26, 2017 13:06 |  #180


  1. So to still any doubts, "The continuous shooting speed goes up to 20fps with full sized RAW images and AF/AE Tracking."
  2. But OTOH, "Be aware that the speed is capped at 12fps if you shoot 14-bit uncompressed RAW files."
  3. And the 120 fps EVF rate is, when simply viewing and not shooting, because "the refresh rate goes up to 120fps (but drops to 60fps during continuous shooting)"



We are starting to get more real validation, and depend less upon speculation or wishful thinking.

We do not know if the A9 camera drops to 12-bit data in silent shutter mode, as it does on the A7RII.
We also have heard (via Tony Northrup on YouTube) that A7RII DR is a bit better than the A9.

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