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May 02, 2017 16:04 as a reply to  @ post 18344584 |  #106

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I love that idea.....but I think a problem is that for many of us, our cameras don't have those green box modes or program modes.

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May 02, 2017 16:06 |  #107

Seriously, there are better things to do in life than worry about green-boxers.


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May 02, 2017 16:15 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #108

Most all of the Canons have the A+ (green auto)


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May 02, 2017 17:49 |  #109

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18344657 (external link)
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I love that idea.....but I think a problem is that for many of us, our cameras don't have those green box modes or program modes.

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That is okay, those with 1D series won't have to participate. ;)


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May 02, 2017 18:17 |  #110

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So I see a new thread forming...Take a shot of a scene in green box - Take control of the shot and shoot in Av, Tv or even manual and see if you can get a better more creative result.....

Good idea. Start the thread - it will probably run for years and bring out all the techies, pixel peepers and neo-luddites!;-)a

I have only tried auto mode on my various cameras out of curiosity but some cameras are getting very smart indeed. For example, my Lumix FX1000 in "Intelligent Auto", under SOME conditions where I rarely shoot (handheld night shots and panoramas) instantly produced better photos than I could do without practice, a tripod and a great deal of work using tools like LR and Panavue.




  
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May 02, 2017 21:38 |  #111

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At least to me the OP seems to imply such by some of his posts on the first page.

What I'm implying, no saying, but apparently failing to do it well, is just the opposite. That one cannot assume that one is a clueless amateur for using it. AND, that person, who is assuming, by the nature of that assumption, may be, egotistical. Or, at the very least, the assumption seems egotistical.

Oh, I quit. Great idea on the new thread! Now on with your regularly scheduled programs.


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May 02, 2017 21:43 |  #112

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What I'm implying, no saying, but apparently failing to do it well, is just the opposite. That one cannot assume that one is a clueless amateur for using it. AND, that person who is assuming, by that assumption, is, by it's nature, egotistical.

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May 02, 2017 21:47 |  #113

I'm tired of my own thread.:cry:


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May 02, 2017 21:49 |  #114

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I'm tired of my own thread.:cry:

Lol, you have now graduated from Beating Your Head Into A Wall - 101 ;-)a

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May 02, 2017 22:33 |  #115

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So I see a new thread foaming...

I corrected spelling for you. :-P


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May 02, 2017 22:57 |  #116

Creativity manifest from the mind, and the extent to which one requires gadgets and doohickeys to achieve their expected or needed results is personal.

That is, I already know that someone can produce excellent photos operating within the confines of the scandalous ‘green box.’ POTN is going to prove nothing different; it will only prove that different people will find different approaches better suited to their needs, while viewers will argue over which photo was the best, proving the inconclusive power of subjectivity.

And if someone doesn’t need anything else to facilitate their creative objectives, then it’s a mute point to argue that greater flexibility is mandatory.

On the other hand, if others need more control or more sophisticated levels of automation, then that’s why choice is great. My camera doesn’t allow for much choice given its six decade old design, but I wouldn’t trade it for anything else.

Moreover, simply jacking open the aperture or throttling down the shutter speed to make things blurry in a particular way is not an exercise in creativity itself; and no, it doesn’t even mean that it helps, at least not for ALL people.

That North Carolina guy might have slapped up an obnoxious post, but he’s right in that: “shoot however you want - produce whatever makes you happy.” Well, unless you’re a commercial photographer, then you’ve got additional folks to make happy.

To be sure, I actually agree that if someone wants to advance in their photography, they might want to consider what’s lurking behind the green box. And when I say advance, at least in regards to hobbyists, I say it based on the photographer’s personal expectations rather than on the comparative demands of our Darwinistic hyper-competitive society. Maybe they’ll learn that the green box or P mode or whatever is all that they need. Would a DSLR be overkill then? Maybe, but maybe they like the lens selection or the ergonomics or the optical viewfinder or the full frame option or...

And I also get that, as much as we ingratiatingly say spend your money however one pleases, it can still be annoying to witness the wealthy flaunt items without fully appreciating them, let alone knowing how to use such items.

Then again, these issues do not specifically address the OP’s point; he wasn’t arguing against learning about a camera’s capabilities or defending plutocratic excess…he was simply reprimanding certain condescending attitudes towards green box usage because such attitudes are a) condescending and b) could be based on misguided presumptions…at least, that’s my presumption.


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May 02, 2017 23:07 |  #117

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Seriously, there are better things to do in life than worry about green-boxers.

Exactly! Take my tighty whities, for example...

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May 02, 2017 23:16 as a reply to  @ sjones's post |  #118

So without the cliff notes version of what you posted, it seems fair to say that you agree with all the previous replies then?


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May 03, 2017 00:04 |  #119

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18344584 (external link)
So I see a new thread forming...

- Take a shot of a scene in green box
- Take control of the shot and shoot in Av, Tv or even manual and see if you can get a better more creative result, but must have the same focal length and perspective otherwise the comparison is moot.

Post EXIF for both, and describe what you like more in the less automated image. :D

Although you may be saying this in jest, I'm curious to see how this plays out if anyone's interested in sharing.

New thread
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1480335

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May 03, 2017 11:33 |  #120

sjones wrote in post #18344928 (external link)
Then again, these issues do not specifically address the OP’s point; he wasn’t arguing against learning about a camera’s capabilities or defending plutocratic excess…he was simply reprimanding certain condescending attitudes towards green box usage because such attitudes are a) condescending and b) could be based on misguided presumptions…at least, that’s my presumption.

True, but do you think some of those condescending attitudes are a result of some green boxers here implying that using the green box is just has intuitive as using manual or the other modes. In effect I hear, "It's not necessary to know how to shoot in manual mode, I can get great results on Auto and my friends think I take great pictures. So I'm just as knowledgeable about photography as you are. Besides I don't want to be a professional photographer and take fancy photographs, but I'm still just as good as you."

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