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May 01, 2017 05:09 |  #211

I'm not a sports shooter but I can't imagine one needing to hold down the shutter long enough at a time to fill the buffer in the first place. It seems more likely that bursts of 2-3 seconds at a time would be sufficient to capture THE moment. I'd also hate to have to cull through hundreds of shots spaced 1/20th of a second apart looking for that one magic shot for any one instance too.


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May 01, 2017 16:18 |  #212

navydoc wrote in post #18343320 (external link)
I'm not a sports shooter but I can't imagine one needing to hold down the shutter long enough at a time to fill the buffer in the first place. It seems more likely that bursts of 2-3 seconds at a time would be sufficient to capture THE moment. I'd also hate to have to cull through hundreds of shots spaced 1/20th of a second apart looking for that one magic shot for any one instance too.

I agree. And also just because a camera has a max feature doesn't meant you have to shoot at it exclusively. I find the 20 FPS there for when you need it. Some will use it more than others. For me I'm more than happy shooting at 8-10 FPS but those rare occasions when 15-20 are needed it's nice to have. Just like your car can drive 120 MPH but doesn't mean you should.


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May 03, 2017 06:23 |  #213

https://www.youtube.co​m …continue=59&v=f​Bo3pn_IsS8 (external link)

impressive

Also some HIGH ISO samples

ISO 12,800 i could use with confidence

http://www.spencerpabl​ophotography.com …ony-a9-High-ISO-Examples/ (external link)


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May 03, 2017 06:25 |  #214

TMaG82 wrote in post #18343789 (external link)
I agree. And also just because a camera has a max feature doesn't meant you have to shoot at it exclusively. I find the 20 FPS there for when you need it. Some will use it more than others. For me I'm more than happy shooting at 8-10 FPS but those rare occasions when 15-20 are needed it's nice to have. Just like your car can drive 120 MPH but doesn't mean you should.

i wish i had this camera now as im off to barcelona for the f1 race


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May 03, 2017 08:39 |  #215
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Worldwide Production of Mirrorless Cameras - Year Over Year (YOY) is up 44.1%
Worldwide Production of DSLR Cameras - YOY is down 4.7%

Looking at shipments...
Worldwide Shipment of Mirrorless Cameras - YOY is up 45%
Worldwide Shipment of DSLR Cameras - YOY is down 8.3%

Breaking down shipments by region...

Shipment of Mirrorless to Japan - YOY is up 36%
Shipment of DSLR to Japan - YOY is down 9.3%
Shipment of Mirrorless to Europe - YOY is up 44.9%
Shipment of DSLR to Europe - YOY is down 15.8%
Shipment of Mirrorless to Americas - YOY is up 78.1%
Shipment of DSLR to Americas - YOY is down 11.7%
Shipment of Mirrorless to Asia - YOY is up 39.1%
Shipment of DSLR to Asia - YOY is down .9%

Again, worldwide shipments of Mirrorless are up 45%. The ONLY region with shipment growth above the worldwide average is the Americas which has increased 78.1%. Total interchangeable lens camera shipments to the Americas = 535,114
Total DSLR shipments to the Americas = 409,823 which means DSLR represent 76.6% of the market
Total mirrorless shipments to the Americas = 125,291 which means mirrorless represent 23.4% of the market.

Worldwide, mirrorless accounts for 36.4% of all shipments however in the US, it's only 23.4% of the market. But again (as I've illustrated above), the MOST growth, YOY, is coming from the Americas which means that, compared with last year, the growth in the "Americas" market for mirrorless is driving mirrorless adoption worldwide - at least compared to the average adoption rate across the planet.

*note - shipments to "other areas" show a larger percent increase YOY for both DSLR and mirrorless, but the volume is so low that it only represents 2% of the entire ILC market.


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May 03, 2017 09:20 |  #216
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jonneymendoza wrote in post #18345089 (external link)
https://www.youtube.co​m …continue=59&v=f​Bo3pn_IsS8 (external link)

impressive

Also some HIGH ISO samples

ISO 12,800 i could use with confidence

http://www.spencerpabl​ophotography.com …ony-a9-High-ISO-Examples/ (external link)

even ISO 25,600 looks like a nice clean film-like noise


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May 03, 2017 10:35 |  #217

navydoc wrote in post #18343320 (external link)
I'm not a sports shooter but I can't imagine one needing to hold down the shutter long enough at a time to fill the buffer in the first place. It seems more likely that bursts of 2-3 seconds at a time would be sufficient to capture THE moment. I'd also hate to have to cull through hundreds of shots spaced 1/20th of a second apart looking for that one magic shot for any one instance too.


TMaG82 wrote in post #18343789 (external link)
I agree. And also just because a camera has a max feature doesn't meant you have to shoot at it exclusively. I find the 20 FPS there for when you need it. Some will use it more than others. For me I'm more than happy shooting at 8-10 FPS but those rare occasions when 15-20 are needed it's nice to have. Just like your car can drive 120 MPH but doesn't mean you should.

Many years ago I started setting my max burst rate on the 1D2 to 6 fps vs. it's max 8.5
Once I got better at timing shots, I found this to be usefull. I had a way to get it to 8.5 fairly qickly (can;t remember old 1D2 personal functions off the tiop of my head) but rarely if ever used it.

With the 1D3 the speeds were easier to customize, so I left the fast setting at max 10 fps, but set the lower burst to the same 6 fps, and used that almost exclusively. I can trigger single shots @ about 5 FPS, and leaving the burst set at 6 = easy to get a single shot, but the burst was there if desired. 10 fps was very hard to get a single shot, you almost always got two or three. Likewise my 1D4 and 7D2 are set up this way. My 5D3 and 5D4 max burst are perfect at 6 and 7 FPS max.

If I had a camera with 20fps, I would shoot it mostly set to 6 FPS for the same reasons, so i could easily control the single shots,. but I would VERY MUCH want a way to set the custom controls so with a single button I could easily take advantage of and activate the 20 fps. It would have to be easy, like Like having two AF ON buttons ;)


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May 04, 2017 04:31 |  #218

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18345265 (external link)
Many years ago I started setting my max burst rate on the 1D2 to 6 fps vs. it's max 8.5
Once I got better at timing shots, I found this to be usefull. I had a way to get it to 8.5 fairly qickly (can;t remember old 1D2 personal functions off the tiop of my head) but rarely if ever used it.

With the 1D3 the speeds were easier to customize, so I left the fast setting at max 10 fps, but set the lower burst to the same 6 fps, and used that almost exclusively. I can trigger single shots @ about 5 FPS, and leaving the burst set at 6 = easy to get a single shot, but the burst was there if desired. 10 fps was very hard to get a single shot, you almost always got two or three. Likewise my 1D4 and 7D2 are set up this way. My 5D3 and 5D4 max burst are perfect at 6 and 7 FPS max.

If I had a camera with 20fps, I would shoot it mostly set to 6 FPS for the same reasons, so i could easily control the single shots,. but I would VERY MUCH want a way to set the custom controls so with a single button I could easily take advantage of and activate the 20 fps. It would have to be easy, like Like having two AF ON buttons ;)

The A9 has a dedicated dial to tweak between h m and l fps modes :)

Also with no blackout, you will be able to time your shots even on 1fps ha!


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May 04, 2017 11:35 |  #219

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18345886 (external link)
The A9 has a dedicated dial to tweak between h m and l fps modes :)

Also with no blackout, you will be able to time your shots even on 1fps ha!

If the EVF lag doesn't get you.


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May 04, 2017 13:09 |  #220

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If the EVF lag doesn't get you.

There is no EVF Lag.


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May 04, 2017 13:28 |  #221

This fella feels duped.

Sony A9 - Not so hot on second look?



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May 04, 2017 13:41 |  #222

Chet wrote in post #18346244 (external link)
This fella feels duped.

Sony A9 - Not so hot on second look?


You can cherry pick any feature to make something look great and something else look like garbage. Like how he talks about how the a9 doesn't do 4k60. The number of consumer cameras that do have 4k60 are two. Kept on mentioning how he can use 6k photo mode to export jpeg, tiff, and png, but now RAW. But downplayed that like it was no big deal.


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May 04, 2017 13:50 |  #223

TMaG82 wrote in post #18346256 (external link)
You can cherry pick any feature to make something look great and something else look like garbage. Like how he talks about how the a9 doesn't do 4k60. The number of consumer cameras that do have 4k60 are two. Kept on mentioning how he can use 6k photo mode to export jpeg, tiff, and png, but now RAW. But downplayed that like it was no big deal.


The lack of any long wide lenses are the killer, this is what he was getting at. They are touting it as a flagship sports camera with none of the lenses to back it up. Sony doesn't have any big 300F2.8, 400mmF2.8, 500F4, 600F4 to compete with Canon or Nikon sports lenses. As a landscape body/stills body it's a hell of a camera.


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May 04, 2017 13:56 as a reply to  @ Chet's post |  #224

oh, boy. Couldn't keep watching after the first 5 min of ranting.
The A9 is not the camera for me. I know that much.
I was expecting a A7 III to be announced as well, perhaps another day.

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May 04, 2017 13:58 |  #225

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oh, boy. Couldn't keep watching after the first 5 min of ranting.
The A9 is not the camera for me. I know that much.
I was expecting a A7 III to be announced as well, perhaps another day.

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