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Apr 29, 2017 09:58 |  #31

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My copy of the Canon 50F1.4 is sharp and AF is fine at F2. I rarely shoot at larger apertures. In reading over this thread, it looks like many people have different lenses when they comment on their Canon 50F1.4. That is because they do. The digital picture did a comparison of multiple copies of the lens and reported large copy variation.
Some people have worse copies than others.
Contrast is not as good at F1.4 than F2. This is not a surprise.
The lens is sharp stopped down, and I can't tell any difference in performance between the Canon 50F1.4 and Sigma 50F2.8 macro at F2.8 and smaller apertures. Of course, color rendition is different.
I keep a hood on the lens at all times, even in storage when not in use. This is not my most heavily used lens, and so I can't comment on reports of fragility. I have no doubt that lots of people have had problems with this.

Personally, I would really like to see Canon come out with a 50MM F1.8 or F2 IS with USM. A new 50 F1.4 would be nice with USM, but I suspect it would be very heavy and expensive. The AF on my 50F1.4 is accurate enough, but not as fast as true USM.

There is no reason a 50 mm f/2 IS USM would have to be that big and heavy. After all, Canon has a 35 mm f/2 IS USM and it is fairly small and light weight. While the 50 mm f/2 would probably be a bit bigger, it probably wouldn't be significantly larger.


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Apr 29, 2017 10:12 |  #32

mwsilver wrote in post #18341759 (external link)
There is no reason a 50 mm f/2 IS USM would have to be that big and heavy. After all, Canon has a 35 mm f/2 IS USM and it is fairly small and light weight. While the 50 mm f/2 would probably be a bit bigger, it probably wouldn't be significantly larger.

Depends on the performance target (i.e. how many elements they decide to use).
Think about the best 50-ish lens (Otus 55/1.4): quite bigger than Canon's 50/1.4. Zeiss even needed to use a retrofocus design to fit the extra corrective elements.


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Apr 29, 2017 12:24 |  #33

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Depends on the performance target (i.e. how many elements they decide to use).
Think about the best 50-ish lens (Otus 55/1.4): quite bigger than Canon's 50/1.4. Zeiss even needed to use a retrofocus design to fit the extra corrective elements.

No argument there . The OTUS is big and heavy and that's without the added weight of an AF motor and gearing. Of course I was referring to f/2 rather than f/1.4, which is a significant difference. And the discussion of a 50mm f/2 IS lens was not meant to imply it would be the equal of the very best 50mm lenses available​. Merely that it wouldn't necessarily have to be very large and heavy, and could still achieve excellent sharpness and IQ. Canon already manufactures a 35mm version of such a lens, the 35mm f/2 IS USM.


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Apr 29, 2017 18:01 as a reply to  @ mwsilver's post |  #34

Indeed, the second best 50mm lens is arguably the Leica-M 50/2 APO, and it is a tiny lens. It comes at a price though.


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May 03, 2017 13:16 as a reply to  @ post 18339036 |  #35

I actually kind of like the photos from my 50mm f/1.4, but I agree with others the lens is garbage. The design of this lens causes cam, focusing rack and USM to be easily knocked out of alignment. I sent my original back to Canon 3 times for repair before finally receiving a refurbished replacement, which experienced the same issue less than 6 months later. It has been confirmed that this lens can lose accurate focus just by putting on a lens cap without fully retracting the lens. Now my lens hood is never removed and I'm sure to retract before recapping. It still misses focus on occasion.




  
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May 03, 2017 13:43 |  #36

mwsilver wrote in post #18341759 (external link)
There is no reason a 50 mm f/2 IS USM would have to be that big and heavy. After all, Canon has a 35 mm f/2 IS USM and it is fairly small and light weight. While the 50 mm f/2 would probably be a bit bigger, it probably wouldn't be significantly larger.

For comparison, folk can just look at Tamron's 45mm F1.8 VC. Basically a 50mm F2 with stabilization. And it's not huge.

The 35 F2 IS is actually much bigger than a standard 50mm F1.8. When I see them side by side it's quite different, and much heavier. But it too is not a big lens at all, quite light for what it is. Excellent lens.

If Canon would just put out a good stabilized 50mm, akin to all the other primes (24mm F2.8 IS, 28mm F2.8 IS, 35mm F2 IS), it would be a popular lens. Instead, they cling to the ancient 50mm for some reason, and only output the 50mm STM between it and their L lens, which is also very old. A 50mm F1.8 or F2 IS should have been a priority it seems to me. I don't see why they'd release the 24mm, 28mm and 35mm reboots with stabilization and leave out the 50mm. Just seems crazy to me.

So Tamron comes along and drops stabilized primes to fill in the void where Canon and Sigma seem to just not care to go right now oddly.

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May 03, 2017 17:54 |  #37

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For comparison, folk can just look at Tamron's 45mm F1.8 VC. Basically a 50mm F2 with stabilization. And it's not huge.

The 35 F2 IS is actually much bigger than a standard 50mm F1.8. When I see them side by side it's quite different, and much heavier. But it too is not a big lens at all, quite light for what it is. Excellent lens.

If Canon would just put out a good stabilized 50mm, akin to all the other primes (24mm F2.8 IS, 28mm F2.8 IS, 35mm F2 IS), it would be a popular lens. Instead, they cling to the ancient 50mm for some reason, and only output the 50mm STM between it and their L lens, which is also very old. A 50mm F1.8 or F2 IS should have been a priority it seems to me. I don't see why they'd release the 24mm, 28mm and 35mm reboots with stabilization and leave out the 50mm. Just seems crazy to me.

So Tamron comes along and drops stabilized primes to fill in the void where Canon and Sigma seem to just not care to go right now oddly.

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I agree. If they released a 50mm f/2 IS similar in weight, build, IQ and price to their 35mm f/2 IS, I would buy one in a heartbeat. I don't understand their apparent lack of interest in an up to date 50mm prime.


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May 05, 2017 22:15 |  #38

Wow. In a few short years, this lens has gone from a decent recommendation to total crap. I've got one. It's sharp. Really sharp. It's compact, focuses perfectly and lives on my 5D. I'm pretty happy with it. It seems I'm in the minority these days.


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May 05, 2017 22:23 as a reply to  @ Dillan_K's post |  #39

Sure it resolves well enough on a low res ff, but shoot it wide open on today's higher res and see. Copy variation is an issue, and more times than not it won't be sharp. That being said, more are unhappy about the quality of the lens, and not so much the IQ in many cases.

The 28-135 is good on the 5D too, but terrible on newer bodies, enough that Canon has stopped supplying it as a kit lens.


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May 05, 2017 22:40 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #40

That doesn't bode well for the rest of my lens collection. The 50mm f/1.4 is the best lens I've got, as far as resolving power is concerned. I don't expect the 24mm f/2.8 to hold up well, but the 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro and 85mm f/1.8 were well regarded only a short while ago. My 50mm is better than both. Maybe I have an unusual example.


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May 06, 2017 00:41 |  #41

I'm another who likes my 50 1.4. I had two copies of the 85 1.8 (original metal mount and II) and I liked neither of them. Sure, the 1.4 isn't built like an L, but neither are the 1.8's that people have had fall to pieces over the years (maybe the STM is better in this regard). I bought mine refurbished from Canon, so I got it for pretty cheap, and for what I paid I'm very happy with its performance. If I had it to do all over again I might look for a second hand Sigma 50, but only because the 1.4 is fairly delicate and breakage prone, not because I don't like the images it produces.


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May 06, 2017 01:29 |  #42

Dillan_K wrote in post #18347535 (external link)
The 50mm f/1.4 is the best lens I've got, as far as resolving power is concerned. I don't expect the 24mm f/2.8 to hold up well, but the 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro and 85mm f/1.8 were well regarded only a short while ago. My 50mm is better than both. Maybe I have an unusual example.

Or maybe you got a defective 100/2.8 Macro.


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May 06, 2017 01:32 as a reply to  @ Lyndön's post |  #43

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May 06, 2017 12:00 |  #44

To further the above sentiment,

50/1.4 is a good lens, great infact if one hasn't used newer improved lenses like 35 F2IS etc. Once I used the latter, I lost interest in the 50, its not exactly sharp wide open compared to the 35.

Now if Canon were to get off their behinds and release a 1.4IS it would sell like cakes.


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May 07, 2017 11:16 |  #45

I think the 50 1.4 is a very good lens especially for the price. no primes (esp non-L) were really sharp wide open back then but by f2.2 the 50 1.4 is very decent. I've owned the 50 1.4 a few times never had one fail and I think many of the claims are internet parroting. all that said you're not going to get the best focusing with this lens because of micro USM. the exceptional 24-70L II is such a bargain these days and focusses like laser on the 5d4. it is one lens i'd have (and I do) no matter what. great for everything.


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